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1. Posted by joey22 (Travel Guru 561 posts) 7y

Hi,

Having come to the spur of the moment decision that my life in England is too boring I am all in favour of upping sticks and going to Taiwan for a year or so. May as well go and live there and save up some dosh for more travels.

I am on the brink of paying £421 for a weekend TEFL Course plus some online training, and help in finding a paid job teaching English in Taiwan. Apparently just a weekend course TEFL Certificate isn't enough.

i to i is the company involved.

Anyone had any experience of them with regard the TEFL and finding work in Taiwan.

Is there a cheaper/easier way of going about things? The weekend TEFL course without all the online stuff is around half the cost.

Has anyone worked in Taiwan? Can I approach schools directly with a basic TEFL certificate?

Any help would be splendid.

Thanks,
Joey

2. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

Hi
I am doing exactly the same thing now as you. I did the weekend course plus a 20 hour online course with i-i. I haven't had much luck though with Taiwan or Japan (Japan companies wouldn't help me as I am going with my gf). The easiest place to get work is South Korea so that is where I am going. It is also the best paid. HK is a place I really wanted to go but it is VERY hard to get work there as there are so many ex-pats there already who get all the work. Do you have a degree? In Korea all you need to find work is a degree. It is impossible to work there without one. With a degree and the i-i tefl course and as long as you are going alone, I don't think you will have any problems getting work in South Korea or Japan. I haven't had replies from Taiwan but as I say, it may be because I am not coming alone. The Japanese companies made it very clear that it was because I was coming with my gf that they wouldnt help me, so perhaps the Taiwanese are like that also.
Good luck

3. Posted by joey22 (Travel Guru 561 posts) 7y

interesting reply - i am not going alone either. would also be travelling with my gf. the chap at i to i didn't think it would be hard to find us both a job and place to stay together. maybe the reality is different.

i will have to speak to the chap at i to i again

thanks for the reply

4. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

You are coming with your girlfriend....

Uhm, no, they want a single White guy... obviously they don't care about the useless Instant Teacher certificates that you can buy at Walmart. They need a white guy to play cute and sell courses with a market, assumed to be fixated to the western world. This is just the reality in some ESL schools in Asia.

If you let your gf teach in the same school and you are hot. Expect the female students to give her a nightmare. Especially if your Gf is also an instant teacher with a TESOL in her in backpack. They can smell a newbie. They wouldn't mind if you can't teach, but you are David Beckham's younger brother or something exotic.

Probably just an isolated case...

5. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

Quoting joey22

interesting reply - i am not going alone either. would also be travelling with my gf. the chap at i to i didn't think it would be hard to find us both a job and place to stay together. maybe the reality is different.

i will have to speak to the chap at i to i again

thanks for the reply

If your gf is also looking for a teaching position then it may be ok, although a company in Japan said that couples tend to live and work in different places in the same city.
My gf is not looking to teach as she is Filipino and will not find work teaching english as it is not her native tongue. You may have more luck if your gf is also from the UK as I did get the impression that as soon as I said my gf was from the Philippines then they kind of turned against me and made a load of excuses..or maybe that is me being paranoid?

6. Posted by joey22 (Travel Guru 561 posts) 7y

Even more of an interesting reply-

I have to confess that I don't fully understand the under-pinning 'point' of the reply. You seem to be suggesting that it is a bad idea for my girlfriend and I to go and work in Taiwan. You seem to also be suggesting that we would be 'newbies'. As you read on I hope you realise that this is not the case.

I am not related to David Beckham but could be argued to be a half-decent looking young man. My gf is a strikingly beautiful blue-eyed blonde with a big smile. In previous travels in Asia I have received unwanted attention from females but am confident that if some Taiwanese school girls develop a crush on me that I can still adhere to my responsibilites as a teacher.

We are hoping to teach in the same school if possible - I worked in a school in the UK as a teaching asst and certain of the 14-16 year old girls had silly 'crushes' on me. I just got on with my job. I don't suspect that my gf will be too fussed about giggling, immature Taiwanese girls giving her a hard time. She is the manager of an education centre in the UK working with all kinds of children, from a wide range of backgrounds - some of them have quite serious behavioural problems. I think she will be OK.

It is interesting that you seem to be negative about the 'instant teacher certificates' that we can buy at Walmart, or indeed the British equivalent, perhaps Morrisons? We both have at least some experience of teaching - I volunteered in a school in Vietnam for just a couple of days, and worked as a teaching asst in a special needs department in a rough school here in the UK for a year. Emily works in the education field, in a position of some responsibility, and has experience of the summer camp programmes in USA. We just feel that a TEFL course might sharpen our ability to teach in a foreign country. Perhaps not. We can but try.

I have seen on the internet that being a 'native speaker' and having a degree is the key. I am a native English speaker of 26 years and have a degree. A 'useless, instant teaching certificate' can't hurt now can it? I do have reservations about the actual need for the TEFL certificate - but having considered it I feel that if we learn even a small amount about teaching in a foreign country then it is worthwhile.

I do hope that your labelling us as 'instant' teachers isn't meant to be an insult. We are both widely travelled, well educated, well read, polite, considerate and generally pretty decent, hard working and honest people. Not to labour the point, but we also have relevant and recent experience of working in education. I don't think that, even with an 'instant teacher certificate' tucked inside our backpacks we will be sniffed out as 'newbies'. If we are then so be it.

If I have misunderstood your email then please accept my apologies. It just seems that you are insinuating that we are 18 year old, uber green first-time backpackers with dreams of changing the world by coming to Taiwan and teaching English.

The reality is that I am 26, have travelled through some 35 countries, worked in numberous jobs, completed a degree, and simply become bored with my life in the UK and keen to go to Taiwan to live and work. Oh, and whether I am being unreasonable or unrealistic, I quite want to go with my long term girlfriend. Neither of us think thatwe will be the best teachers in Taiwan and neither of us wish to make teachign English in Taiwan our long-term career goal. We simply want a year away from the UK, a salary that we can live comfortably on, and perhaps even a chance to save some money.

Taiwan looks like an interesting, seldom visited country with an interesting belnd of cultures, some wonderful scenery, and I am all but sold on the idea.

Thanks,
Joey ;)

p.s - having just re-read your post, I don't 'let' my girlfriend do things, she generally makes her own her decisions. Thats the beauty of our relationship hahahaha

7. Posted by joey22 (Travel Guru 561 posts) 7y

just to clarify, my long reply was aimed at Swept Away. It seems that while I was writing it, Bwiiian replied again.

Bwiiian thanks for your recent reply. My gf is indeed British and the chap at i to i seems to think that we will certainly be able to live together at the very least. If we could get jobs at the same school that would be our first choice - if we can't then that's fine. We don't work together here - our hours clash pretty badly and we see each other for around an hour or two each evening at best.

One of the main things we want in Taiwan is to have more free time together. If we can work at the same school that could be good - we can then cycle or catch the bus to work together etc etc.

we shall see what happens - still haven't entirely decided that we need to do a TEFL. I reckon it can't hurt and I like the idea of i to i sorting us out the job, accommodation etc. But I do think we could do it ourselves - I have been on tealit.com looking at jobs - most seem to want you to be a native speaker and have a degree. None of them mention a TEFL specifically although a couple adhere to 'relevant teaching qualifications' being preferred.

What do you reckon about the TEFL? I know you have one now, or at least are working towards it. Do you think it is worth going through i to i, or going it alone?

ummm.....decisions decisions

8. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

If you have the money then there is no harm in getting the weekend tefl certificate. Anything that goes on your CV to show that you have experience etc is good. It will also give you a bit of experience and show you what to expect when you get there. Taiwan I think will ask for some kind of tefl certificate. I have had a lot of S Korean companies getting in touch with me as I have the tefl cert and also I have some teaching experience so it does get you noticed but it is not a necessity. In fact I got a phone call from Korea this morning saying that I have a job, can I get on a plane asap and start teaching!!! Unfortunately I had to turn it down as I am going to be in the Philippines until the end of April, but they said they will get me a job in May. Korea seems very easy to get work. To be honest I wouldn't mind working in Taiwan, Japan HK or S Korea so I am just going wherever I can get the work (and they accept my gf!). I'm sure you will find work in Taiwan, there is a lot of work out there. If you don't then give Korea a try and you will DEFINITELY get work.
Just had a thought, if you and your gf apply for jobs in the same city, then it wont matter if you don't get a flat together as you will have 2 flats so you can choose which one to live in!! You can then say you have a holiday home as well as your living home in Taiwan!!! hehe sounds good.
Good luck.

9. Posted by musharoom (Budding Member 33 posts) 7y

"Swept Away 17 Feb 09, 21:02
You are coming with your girlfriend....

Uhm, no, they want a single White guy..."

Is this the case?

Will I have problems as a mixed race female finding work with a TEFL certificate and teaching experience in South Korea or China?

10. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

Quoting musharoom

"Swept Away 17 Feb 09, 21:02
You are coming with your girlfriend....

Uhm, no, they want a single White guy..."

Is this the case?

Will I have problems as a mixed race female finding work with a TEFL certificate and teaching experience in South Korea or China?

I don't think you will have any problems whatsoever in these places. Everyone in S Korea has been very accomodating to me when they know that I am coming with my Filipino gf and there are a LOT of Koreans who travel and they seem very welcoming to everyone. Remember in Korea the population is 99% Korean, so mixed race, black and white races are all new to most people in the country so there is not the same type of racism as you may find in some countries in the west. I think (but don't quote me on this) that there is a bit of tension between Koreans and the Japanese because of past history but not towards westerners.