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1. Posted by beerman (Moderator, 1631 posts) 2 Mar '09 11:27

So, there you are, Internationally famous musicians. People love and respect you. Your singer speaks out on issues of global importance with passion and concern. He chastises world leaders for not doing enough to help others. He blasts his own government for ignoring the plight of Africa.

You all have become grossly wealthy. What do YOU do? That's easy, keep your money, screw your government, and still remain holier-than-thou. Sure, you pay millions in taxes. So why are you trying to build the U2 Tower rather than building schools and digging £200 water wells in Sub Saharan Africa? Why are you not dealing directly with the African countries that oppress their people? Why do you bitch at your own government, then take a tax shelter in another country?

Bono, The Edge, and the other two quiet guys.......bad boys, bad (slaps their noses with a newspaper).

The Arrogance of Wealth

2. Posted by Rraven (Travel Guru, 5924 posts) 3 Mar '09 01:28

They should have been slapped years ago, I still like the music but I hate that every time you go to their concerts you have to listen to a lecture about poverty first from them. They stand on their soap boxes preaching to people while wearing designer clothes and ripping off fans with their ridiculously priced tickets and merchandise............

3. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator, 5556 posts) 3 Mar '09 04:53

Don't see the problem.
Why should they pay more taxes if that is not necessary.
So if I give 5 bucks when someone collects money for let's say 'third world kids', I am not allowed to try and legally pay less taxes?
Odd link, so it seems to me

Still, they should have known people were going to make a fuss about it, so they had better not done it in the first place just because of that

[ Edit: Edited on 03-Mar-2009, at 04:54 by Utrecht ]

4. Posted by tway (Travel Guru, 7274 posts) 3 Mar '09 06:04

I'm almost always with you, dear beerman, but Ireland's taxes are ridiculously high these days--and no matter how much you earn, you want to keep the better part of what's yours. The Beatles wrote Taxman 40 years ago about the same frustrations. I don't think just because you managed to make a really good living--but your own sweat and blood--that you should have an unreasonable amount taken away.

That said, I do think it's a little odd to wear $500 jeans and stand up and preach to people who probably had to dig into their already tight budgets to buy their tickets...

5. Posted by Q' (Moderator, 1987 posts) 3 Mar '09 10:12

It's a sign of globalization. If you don't like a country's rules, you're free to leave. If you don't like someone's preaching tell 'em to shut up.

6. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru, 5336 posts) 3 Mar '09 10:59

I dont know...I can never seem to make up my mind about U2. In many ways, I am so proud of them. As a band, they just work. They individually seem like such good people with basically good intentions. At the end of the day, aren't they just like the rest of us, if not better....at least, they're doing something

I could be wrong, but I suspect that they already give a lot of money to help various projects around the world, to fund house-building, wells etc...
If they are building a U2 Tower in Dublin, I see that as an entirely seperate thing. They are just giving something to Dublin that will add to our city. I would welcome it.

The thing is the taxes are crazy in Ireland. I wonder how many of us would do the same if we were in the same position...who knows....

It's a tough situation to judge in my opinion, so I try to look at what they do to raise people's consciousness around the world about poverty. The way I see it they are doing a fat lot more than I am, so who am I to call their business affairs into question.

7. Posted by james (Travel Guru, 4124 posts) 3 Mar '09 13:30

It's not just U2; it's every high earning sports, media or music star.

They all list their place of abode as "Liechtenstein" or "Channel Islands", "Bermuda", etc. for tax purposes. Remember, these bands or entertainers are really corporations or companies or enterprises; with shareholders, a registered office, etc.

I think they'd be mad to pay more tax than they have to, as would you or I.

8. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator, 1370 posts) 4 Mar '09 04:24

If you read the article you see that they pay their taxes in the Netherlands, something that the Rolling Stones are doing for years and years. Other groups however moved their headquarters from the UK to Ireland (Def Leppard).

If U2 would like to put the action were it's mouth is, they should have moved headquarters to Mali, and pay taxes there. That would have made a difference.

9. Posted by summer910 (Respected Member, 1342 posts) 4 Mar '09 12:49

I admit I just try to concentrate on their music (or some of it), and not the politics they spout. Got too many other things on my plate to worry about.

10. Posted by Cool Paul (Travel Guru, 610 posts) 4 Mar '09 13:52

I don't care how any musician spends his time or money on his own time but when I pay to see a concert that isn't Rage Against the Machine then I don't want to hear political bitching. I paid to hear music not the news.