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21. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Quoting bwiiian

I don't think it is wise to classify different continents by race.

Therefore the way to define continents is politically, which is the way we do it now.

Well, personally I abhor labels and I am not suggesting that continents should be segregated according to race. I am just subscribing to an existing definition of Asia.

"Asia can be defined in terms of what it can exclude" Its a convenient sentence, when you are setting the parameters of a research papers. In Asian Studies courses, you will study the middle east and India, and the other South Asian states.

Political? Economic? ASEAN + 3 = That is the 13 countries, if East Timor joins the club, it will be 14. This is the Asia that I live in, home of the Orientals.

22. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

Quoting Swept Away

"Asia can be defined in terms of what it can exclude"

I don't understand why you would want to exclude countries from a definition of a continent. Any continent can exclude any number of countries if it wants to. The UK can be excluded from Europe as it is not part of Mainland Europe. The USA can be excluded from North America as it took the land by force from the Native Indians so it is an occupying force, therefore making it an illegal occupancy of a country owned by the Native Indians. Israel is a very new made up country, so we can exclude that from Europe. Now all the countries from the former Soviet Union can be excluded as they are too new. Australia, is it a country or a continent? Lets just exclude it to be on the safe side. The Philippines, well now, it was a Spanish colony, so it was part of Spain, it has also been a British colony so it is part of the UK and Europe, but it has also been American for quite a while also. Now it is the only Catholic country in SE Asia so we can exclude the Philippines from Asia as it doesn't fit in with the rest of the area (by the way I will be in the Philippines again in 5 days time, I can't wait to be back).

Surely it is better to define a continent in terms of what it can INCLUDE not by excluding everything that doesn't quite fit into someones ideals of what a continent should be.

23. Posted by lithium (Budding Member 3 posts) 7y

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Swept Away

Quoting Utrecht

You can debate about countries like Georgia and Armenia, but Saudi Arabia, India and Mongolia are definately Asia

I had to laugh though about you breaking down all those pieces until you are left with East Asia, but then again exclude North Korea for your benefits

Saudi Arabia, Arabs are caucasians.
India is a subcontinent and a civilization with a very distinct culture.
Mongolia, yes it should not be excluded.
But it's a huge land of steppes and slopes and its totally in a league of its own.

And in my globe/map, Tibet and Taiwan, are parts of China, so I am only counting 14. But since I have been to HK and Macau, I don't mind if they want to be called countries or even continents.

Does your country see Taiwan as independent nation?
Morocco is totally different from Botswana, both are African.
Just to give some examples. It is best to think for yourself indeed, but within some broader context. Hongkong as a continent...well ok. I think Cebu is the capital of the Phillippines

cebu is not the capital of the philippines. manila is the capital and cebu is only the second largest city in the country although in its long colonial history, cebu was made the capital of the first spanish settlement in the country for 7 years and was later transferred to manila because the latter has a more sheltered harbor than cebu which was frequented by muslim pirates from down south in mindanao during that time.

24. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Quoting bwiiian

Quoting Swept Away

"Asia can be defined in terms of what it can exclude"

Surely it is better to define a continent in terms of what it can INCLUDE not by excluding everything that doesn't quite fit into someones ideals of what a continent should be.

Well, it favors me... and besides I did not make the exclusion. Scholars that came before I evolved into a fetus made created this concept of Asia.

Well, your visiting the Philippines for the 5th time, thats really great. But any local will tell you, that it was never, even for 4 minutes became a British colony.

25. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Quoting lithium

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Swept Away

Quoting Utrecht

You can debate about countries like Georgia and Armenia, but Saudi Arabia, India and Mongolia are definately Asia

I had to laugh though about you breaking down all those pieces until you are left with East Asia, but then again exclude North Korea for your benefits

Saudi Arabia, Arabs are caucasians.
India is a subcontinent and a civilization with a very distinct culture.
Mongolia, yes it should not be excluded.
But it's a huge land of steppes and slopes and its totally in a league of its own.

And in my globe/map, Tibet and Taiwan, are parts of China, so I am only counting 14. But since I have been to HK and Macau, I don't mind if they want to be called countries or even continents.

Does your country see Taiwan as independent nation?
Morocco is totally different from Botswana, both are African.
Just to give some examples. It is best to think for yourself indeed, but within some broader context. Hongkong as a continent...well ok. I think Cebu is the capital of the Phillippines

cebu is not the capital of the philippines. manila is the capital and cebu is only the second largest city in the country although in its long colonial history, cebu was made the capital of the first spanish settlement in the country for 7 years and was later transferred to manila because the latter has a more sheltered harbor than cebu which was frequented by muslim pirates from down south in mindanao during that time.

He or She knows Manila is the capital.

26. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 7y

Quoting Swept Away

Quoting lithium

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Swept Away

Quoting Utrecht

You can debate about countries like Georgia and Armenia, but Saudi Arabia, India and Mongolia are definately Asia

I had to laugh though about you breaking down all those pieces until you are left with East Asia, but then again exclude North Korea for your benefits

Saudi Arabia, Arabs are caucasians.
India is a subcontinent and a civilization with a very distinct culture.
Mongolia, yes it should not be excluded.
But it's a huge land of steppes and slopes and its totally in a league of its own.

And in my globe/map, Tibet and Taiwan, are parts of China, so I am only counting 14. But since I have been to HK and Macau, I don't mind if they want to be called countries or even continents.

Does your country see Taiwan as independent nation?
Morocco is totally different from Botswana, both are African.
Just to give some examples. It is best to think for yourself indeed, but within some broader context. Hongkong as a continent...well ok. I think Cebu is the capital of the Phillippines

cebu is not the capital of the philippines. manila is the capital and cebu is only the second largest city in the country although in its long colonial history, cebu was made the capital of the first spanish settlement in the country for 7 years and was later transferred to manila because the latter has a more sheltered harbor than cebu which was frequented by muslim pirates from down south in mindanao during that time.

He or She knows Manila is the capital.

It's a he surprise;)
And yes, it was a joke

27. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

Quoting Swept Away

Well, your visiting the Philippines for the 5th time, thats really great. But any local will tell you, that it was never, even for 4 minutes became a British colony.

1972 -1974 Britain fought the Spanish in Manila and took control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Occupation_of_the_Philippines

28. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Quoting bwiiian

Quoting Swept Away

Well, your visiting the Philippines for the 5th time, thats really great. But any local will tell you, that it was never, even for 4 minutes became a British colony.

1972 -1974 Britain fought the Spanish in Manila and took control.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Occupation_of_the_Philippines

I should burn in hell. 1974? hold it! I guess I wont be damned, you said 1974. The Spaniards sold us to the Americans in 1898. 1972-1974??? 1970's.

The Philippines was a commonwealth of the US... and the only Brit that conquered the nation was Madonna in 1984.

29. Posted by loubylou (Travel Guru 664 posts) 7y

According to the wiki article bwiiian posted the British took control of Manila from 1762-1764...maybe too many San Miguels when he wrote his post?

Oh and Madonna is American not British!

[ Edit: Edited on 25-Apr-2009, at 10:17 by loubylou ]

30. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Quoting loubylou

According to the wiki article bwiiian posted the British took control of Manila from 1762-1764...maybe too many San Miguels when he wrote his post?

Oh and Madonna is American not British!

I don't know this or I regressed it after taking the 500 items objective exams for Phil History.
1762? The British occupation of Manila. Whoa. I guess that makes me a local.