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1. Posted by Blinq (Inactive 341 posts) 7y

From April 5 this year, everything you think, do or say will be logged and may be used in evidence against you....

Well, it's not quite that bad, but a new EU directive which came into force on that date requires Internet Services Providers to log and store records of every single Internet user in all 25 member states for one year. The data includes emailing i.e. who contacted who, websites you visit and VoIP phone calls you make.

Oh, and the cost of keeping the billions of records will be funded by guess who? Yes, you the taxpayer!

2. Posted by Jase007 (Travel Guru 8870 posts) 7y

Well they have been logging phone calls (both landline and mobile) for years.
Not to mention the CCTV footage of them watching your every step, credit cards, debit cads, use of ATM's shopping habbits etc, it's all logged by someone.
1984 is here and has been for over 10years - makes you wonder who is living in a free country? and democracy doesn't actually exist

3. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Its freaking ridiculous. To get to know the whereabouts of a few criminals (what percentage do they make on the whole anyways) they need to tap the phones and internet of everybody. It sounds crazy and I don't trust any government in this regard. It is an unacceptable violation of the privacy indeed. Sounds like the New world order theory or activities behind the scenes of the Bilderberg group.

4. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 7y

I'm reading Digital Fortress and this is like the book coming to life! What's been happening in the UK is really ridiculous, thought the EU would have more sense than to follow...

5. Posted by Buzzcock (Full Member 178 posts) 7y

Yep and we shall all be biometrically tagged soon and if our lunatic government has its way, pay for the privilege: this from Pravda

6. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 7y

Quoting Buzzcock

Yep and we shall all be biometrically tagged soon and if our lunatic government has its way, pay for the privilege: this from Pravda

What's quite the point if the cards are voluntary? And to expect pharmacies and post office to keep records of fingerprints?! Sounds like a major disaster waiting to happen!!!

7. Posted by magykal1 (Travel Guru 2026 posts) 7y

Obtaining a card is going to be voluntary. But if banks, insurance companies, employment agencies, etc decide that they won't accept anything else, it will become de facto compulsory extremely quickly.

Personally I don't think ID cards pose that much of a threat to civil liberties. I'm much more worried about, for example, the clandestine relationship between the Home Office and Phorm. I do however think that they are a pointless and extremely expensive misadventure. Our biggest hope is that the good citizens of Manchester reject them en masse.

8. Posted by Blinq (Inactive 341 posts) 7y

Quoting magykal1

Obtaining a card is going to be voluntary. But if banks, insurance companies, employment agencies, etc decide that they won't accept anything else, it will become de facto compulsory extremely quickly.

Personally I don't think ID cards pose that much of a threat to civil liberties. I'm much more worried about, for example, the clandestine relationship between the Home Office and Phorm. I do however think that they are a pointless and extremely expensive misadventure. Our biggest hope is that the good citizens of Manchester reject them en masse.

Yes, that Phorm controversy is worrying. Fortunately, there are several anti-Phorm Add-ons you can install if you use Firefox as your browser.

I doubt if Phorm would ever be adopted in the Netherlands though. Somebody would quickly take the case to court and since no two Dutch judges ever agree with each other, they'd be tied up in litigation for years to come.

9. Posted by Buzzcock (Full Member 178 posts) 7y

Quoting sapphyre

What's quite the point if the cards are voluntary?

The point is to gain acceptance by stealth until they become mandatory; the issue is less the card in itself than the Stasi-like centralised National Identity Register that underlies it in which we are all potential terrorists and criminals. Other countries have identity cards, but nothing of this nature, as even former Soviet-bloc states never managed to develop them.

Quoting sapphyre

And to expect pharmacies and post office to keep records of fingerprints?! Sounds like a major disaster waiting to happen!!!

Yes and what's new? Such data has already been lost by such circumstances

Also the hard-sell that they can prevent fraud is spurious. At present all British citizens have a National Insurance number and a National Health Service number which are not cross-referenced. Most of us also have a driving licence, passport and bank debit and credit cards, details of which are stored on separate databases. This is actually a safeguard against fraud because if one database is hacked into, or details from it are 'lost' in the post on a CD, then not all your personal information is accessible.

DVLA did just that last year to people who had passed their driving test within the previous year. So these data containing driving licence numbers, names and addresses of thousands of people may be available to a fraudster, however their employment, passport and bank details will not be because they are not cross-referenced. Now imagine one centralised database with all your personal information on; and one card, which if you lose it or have it stolen you automatically become a non-person. It's frightening.

10. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Have you all read "1984"??
It's coming true to life. How many of you have taken a flight out of LGW and noticed at the 1st security barrier when they check your boarding pass - that a photo is taken of every single passenger?? That's something like 35,000,000 photos a year. A huge big brother file is lurking somewhere.