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11. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

The preliminary accident report gives the following reason for the accident at AMS:

"One of the two radio altimeters, which was feeding data to the auto throttle system, suddenly and visibly malfunctioned, and as a direct result, thrust on both engines was reduced to flight idle. The aircraft lost speed and height and the crew were slow to react and only applied thrust when the stick shaker activated at just below 500 ft, which was too late to recover the situation."

Assuming the above is correct, then it was a combination of mechanical failure and pilot error (slow to respond).

[ Edit: Edited on 16-May-2009, at 11:57 by bgl ]

12. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 7y

I stand corrected.

But Mahan Air was banned from flying into Europe up until last November due to security reasons. They have some of the oldest aircrafts still in use outside of Central Africa.

Given the choice between Mahan Air and THY I'll take Turkish any time.

13. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

I definitely agree with that - I'd have to be desperate to fly on Mahan Air! (And I think you mean "safety reasons", not "security reasons"). The bulk of Mahan Air's fleet is a dozen or so Airbus A300/A310s, built between 1977 and 1991. But they also have three ex-United Air Lines Boeing 747-400s and I believe they are using these aircraft on the Bangkok route. These 747-400s were built between 1989 and 1993, so are not exactly brand new either, but flew with United Air Lines up to 2005 and were obviously kept in good shape while with UAL.

14. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

So what about the countries in Eastern Europe that still use the TU-154?? They're everywhere. They look like they were built in the 1950's!! I still use them a lot. They are just beasts. No other way to describe them.

15. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

That's actually not quite correct. Belavia in Belarus is the ONLY airline in the region that's still using Tu-154s on scheduled services (and not to Western Europe). Other than that, there's only a total of five operational Tu-154s in eastern Europe, all government owned (2 in Poland, 2 in Slovakia and 1 in Bulgaria). All the airlines in the region are now happily flying western built equipment, primarily Airbus and Boeing but also a few Canadair and Embraer jets. Even the airlines in Russia are busy retiring their old Soviet built fleets and replacing them with Airbus and Boeings. There are still about 220 Tu-154s in service in Russia, and the majority of those are the newer Tu-154Ms, built between 1985 and the late 1990s. The oldest Tu-154s that are still operational (Tu-154B model) were built in the late 1970s.

16. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Post #15#bgl.... Not sure where you're getting your TU-154 info from. They still take off and land regularly in Varna.

17. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 7y

I realize they don't fly from Ireland, but a good budget choice is the Air Asia X service from London Stansted into Kuala Lumpur on the Airbus 330. I have been quite impressed with the quality of Air Asia service and equipment myself since I was on a brand new Airbus 320 recently between Bangkok and Hanoi (reminded me of our excellent US carrier, Southwest).

18. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

This is what I do for a living, and we have database records for each and every airliner (complete transaction history) built over the last 70 years. Worldwide. There are only two operational Tu-154Ms in Bulgaria: LZ-HMW (s/n 707, built Sep 1984) with Hemus Air (doesn't operate scheduled services) and LZ-BTZ (s/n 781 built Nov 1988) with the Bulgarian Government.

[ Edit: Edited on 17-May-2009, at 10:17 by bgl ]

19. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Oh well, that photo I took a few weeks ago of a TU-154 taking off at Varna Airport, must have been an error in the camera lens. Sorry about that.
You're obviously a wizzo expert with your paperwork.
Plus looking at your last #Post#, it seems your info has changed it's spec about what flies and what doesn't - and where they are and how many there are, between that #Post# and this one.

[ Edit: Edited on 17-May-2009, at 11:06 by Redpaddy ]

20. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y


I'm just attempting to provide accurate information, in the hope that it might be useful to someone out there. As far as the Tu-154 you saw at Varna - if you can read the registration number in your photo, let me know and I will give you the background information on that specific aircraft. It may not necessarily be a Bulgarian aircraft. There are also a few in Azerbaijan, plus obviously a whole bunch in Russia. As far as the discrepancy in the numbers in my two posts above, I did not include the Hemus Air Tu-154 in my initial Tu-154 comment because, quite frankly, I am not certain that this particular aircraft is still operational. Hemus Air still owns it, but it's conceivable that it is just parked somewhere in Bulgaria. It used to be leased to BH-Air (Balkan Holidays Air) and was last seen in the west (at several airports in the UK) in June/July 2006. Tu-154s have since been banned from flying to EU countries (more stringent noise regulations).

We are obviously getting way off topic here, but your comments gave me the idea for a new thread for Forum members who may have questions about specific airlines and what aircraft they operate, so will start a new thread in a little while.

And now, back to Turkish Airlines, and any comments about them!:)