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Travel Forums System Talk What to do with members like this?

1. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Schnapps

Nothing wrong with being a dreamer or whatever, but he uses dozens of photos which are not his. Now as there are rules, I guess it would be more than decent to try and contact him (one of the moderators, admins) and if nothing changes: make him inactive. If you don't, well, no need to have rules

2. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Any relation with this member?

Check IP please, no problem is it?
When I was Elanz I got checked as well

3. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 7y

I checked this member earlier today and found that there were no fewer than 41 users on the same IP address! On closer inspection, it became very clear that it is in fact a high school project they are doing. I'll pop the member a note and ask them to not use the copyrighted images and pass it on to the class mates. But I don't think it's worth doing too much else to be honest.. as long as we don't feature the pics of course!

4. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

I checked this member earlier today and found that there were no fewer than 41 users on the same IP address! On closer inspection, it became very clear that it is in fact a high school project they are doing. I'll pop the member a note and ask them to not use the copyrighted images and pass it on to the class mates. But I don't think it's worth doing too much else to be honest.. as long as we don't feature the pics of course!

Thanks and oh my god
Even in this cases just deleting the photos is not allowed? I mean, do we get death penalties for that;)

5. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 7y

How do you know these people did not ask permission to use these photos in this way? How do you know these photos haven't been released under a creative commons license, or explicitly put into the public domain? How do you know the school doesn't have a blanket license agreement for usage like this? In any and all of those cases, us pro-actively going around deleting content would be really, really wrong.
Only the people who uploaded the photos and the copyright holders of the photos could tell us for certain that this usage would be allowed or disallowed; that is not something travellerspoint can or should want to have an opinion on.

The reality of copyright in this day and age is that it's completely ignored and misunderstood by 95%+ of the population. But you have to assume good faith. "Innocent until proven guilty" and all that. (Plus initiatives like the above mentioned creative commons means that there's an ever growing pool of content for which the right's owners are explicitly okay with sharing. (Albeit with the provision that credit needs to be given, which these people haven't done either, but that is much more easily fixed, and might just be something more than 5% of people out there will understand and honor once they've been taught about it.))

[ Edit: Edited on 15-May-2009, at 06:38 by Sander ]

6. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Quoting Sander

How do you know these people did not ask permission to use these photos in this way? How do you know these photos haven't been released under a creative commons license, or explicitly put into the public domain? How do you know the school doesn't have a blanket license agreement for usage like this? In any and all of those cases, us pro-actively going around deleting content would be really, really wrong.
Only the people who uploaded the photos and the copyright holders of the photos could tell us for certain that this usage would be allowed or disallowed; that is not something travellerspoint can or should want to have an opinion on.

True. But in massive cases like this, you can send a message to the guy from that Switzerland photo I remember. Even I could do that if you'd like
A lot of work to do this over and over again, but in this specific case it would be worth a try.

7. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 7y

Quoting Utrecht

But in massive cases like this, you can send a message to the guy from that Switzerland photo I remember.

Asking people if they have permission to use content in a certain way, and teaching them about copyright at the same time, won't get any opposition from me, obviously. Peter said he'd do that here, but as far as I'm concerned, you should feel totally free to do that whenever you feel like it.
Just be aware that it's a completely different way of responding to the problem than by calling for deleting content. (And that obviously doing something like that is not something which travellerspoint as a site can do systematically. It doesn't scale, and it's not the task of a site owner to do things like that.)

8. Posted by Peter (Admin 5813 posts) 7y

Yeah, as Sander says, deleting the photos is just not a step we want to do unless we explicitly know it is a problem. For all I know, the teacher has provided them with a batch of photos that are ok to upload. In the past, we have had photographers contact us when they have found their photos copied on here. In those situations we have immediately removed the photos (and I believe even inactivated one of the members).

Oh, and I did contact this new member - just waiting for a response.

[ Edit: Edited on 15-May-2009, at 17:34 by Peter ]