No wonder they were too friendly... like in a summer camp. Dressed like extreme sports enthusiast, these ARMY of Christian HATE mongers infest my hostel in a beautiful Islamic/Tibetan capital city.
They plant bibles in the tables of the lobby... paper back editions that look like novels or some cool self help book.
Whats my point?
1. Should these people be preaching in hostels? How they are different from those guys with a necktie that scream hell and damnation in KHAOSAN road? We werejust talking about travel, then suddenly they brought Religion to the talks, and they were so insane and HATEFUL! "Everyone who doesn't read their bible will burn in hell"
2. I think what they are doing is illegal. They do some volunteer work in some elementary school to make efforts of transplanting their CULTURAL virus.
I had to leave the city after two days... It was hell for me... I only chat with one guy, who I thought was an EXTREME SPORTS enthusiast. He didn't what I said about religion being oppressive to some cultures and especially to women. He can't make arguements, so his friends came to the rescue with their illogical Methaphorical statements.
I have learned never to talk about religion in a hostel. Actually, I will never talk to anyone who needs to walk around with a bible as an accessory. An army of ignorant egotistical hypocrites who paid to be organized as teams.
I fear what these ultra bored loosers with credit cards or unemployment benefits could do to INDIGENOUS cultures in Asia and Latin America.
These hateful creatures are very dangerous and their hatred is contageous.
Religion intend breeds fragmentation.
Paradoxically, I am very religious. But I mind my own bussiness and never PREACH.
Not really a rare scenario. These people exist just about everywhere. A real shame that they're invading places of accommodation. I've (unfortunately) had experiences of a similar thing from time to time. Sometimes I take them on - other times I walk away. Recently, I was confronted by a couple of Mormons (or Latter Day something or other - as they prefer to be known by nowadays). I took a beer out of my bag, opened it, swigged some and let off a fine healthy burp. They told me beer was bad - I told them so was religion. The conversation didn't last long. What about those people that knock on front doors offering that mag. I think it's called The Watchtower - or whatever. I took a copy once. Each to their own - but it was just trollop to me. I sometimes wonder how they'd feel if I knocked on their door and started preaching about the great times I've had in Amsterdam's Red Light.
Come on, Swept Away-
Tell us something you LIKE..
Maybe something you see that makes you happy....
Life is too short to always be so negative. While I agree with your being uncomfortable around those that proselytize/ evagelize, my response is just a simple and polite, "not interested, man. Have a nice day." It would be pretty uncommon for someone to keep bothering you when you overtly tell them you are not interested.
It's simple.... You can't sweat the small stuff, and this really ranks low....
(Frankly all organized religion does, but that is not my point).
Post#3#CanadaGuy.... "Organised religion". What's that all about??
I totally dislike such religious recruitment anywhere, but in the developing world I think it's very sad. If this occurred in Tibet (China), I would think they'd be in some danger from the authorities there. No doubt they were Americans? When will we ever learn!
Post#5#Daawgon....Why do you have no doubt they were Americans?? Not a criticism on my part, just curiosity as to your assumption.
these ARMY of Christian HATE mongers infest my hostel in a beautiful Islamic/Tibetan capital city.
Consider yourself lucky. I had to live for 4 years in a city that is considered to be the capital of these folks in Germany. They accosted me as soon as I stepped out of the door.
Don't get me wrong, I love to discuss religion with like-minded people. I spent a lot of time learning about the 3 monotheistic religions and can debate with the best of them - but those people? Yikes! It is like trying to reason with a brick wall.
They jabsolutely didn't get my very strong hints that I was very happy with my faith and had no desire to change. (Once in a life-time is enough, thank you very much. It is a deep emotional investment, a change that isn't done on a whim - a psychologist once compared it to a coming-out experience for a gay person and I agree.)
BTW, I ran into a similar group in Eastern Anatolia. A bunch of South Koreans handing out bibles, textbooks ("Teach yourself English") and free laptops. They were preaching in broken English in a small Kurdish village, with a local youth translating for them. (Maybe you can imagine the reactions of the locals, especially since the youth was making fun of the girls.) I got a chance to corner one of the girls, and asked her some questions. Turned out she didn't know shit about Christianity, much less Islam; she was just doing her routine as she had been taught to do. I wanted to know from what branch of Christianity she was from, I really embarrassed her because she didn't know. In the end she yelled: Shut up, I am just doing this because I get paid to travel !
I have learned never to talk about religion in a hostel.
I suppose the only city where this is acceptable is Jerusalem. You cannot hang out in the city without starting to wonder about some things, so it is fairly easy to ask other travellers at the hostel about their faith. You get a lot of strange people in Jerusalems' hostels, so pretty much anything goes. If it gets too much you just walk away.
I sometimes wonder how they'd feel if I knocked on their door and started preaching about the great times I've had in Amsterdam's Red Light.
N.B.: A friend of my brother is a Satanist. Everytime these folks ring at his door he lets them in. Usually these folks hang around for hours once they are inside your home. But all he has to do is let them into his living room (all black and grey, black candles, inverted cross, pentagram, sex furniture for some bondage play) and turn around with an evil smile and they run like HELL. My brother has a video of it on his mobile - it is hilarious!
A big thing spooked me when I was in Malawi. A group of utter cronies turned up in the village I was staying in (Senga Bay on the lake) and handed out a bucket full of bibles to the locals. They're thoughts were totally in line with mine. Basically, a few tins of soup would have been much more appreciated than a load of cardboard and paper - when you're constantly hungry.
Maybe the preachers were travellers. Everyone needs a holiday occasionally. Over the past few years I've seen some American kids of about 18 or 19 years old with their 'Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints' badges - and weird names like Elmer on them - in town, politely asking questions of the agnostic natives of Old England. I just as politely ignore them. Though I do wonder what it is like for them growing up in Utah, learning about the corrupt sinful continent from which their forebears escaped and being told their mission in life is to save as many souls in Old Europe as they can. PS Apologies to anyone who is called Elmer, no offence intended.
I was in Buenos Aires a few months ago and was approached by a couple of young guys in suits on the subway. They saw my Canadian flag on Ol' Bugs (retired) and came to hit me with they Church of Latter Day Saints nonsense. We spoke for a while and I pretended I believed in God so as to keep them yipping....The funny part. Though they were Canadians, they learned their dogma in Spanish. So we would be talking in English and when they got to a part where they could shoot in their preplanned statements, they had to go to Spanish. It was the weirdest thing ever.
Finally I told them that they were wasting what could be a great experience by trying to convert Catholics to their version of the God Myth. Though they could see that I had Bugs(retired) and was obviously on the move, they asked me if they could visit me at my home. All of it by rote...Actually, thinking now, I wonder if there was another senior member on the train, and they wanted to make sure they covered all the bases for her.