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1. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Feisty- you may google it. I was looking for a synonym for the word bitchy. Fierce perhaps. But not necessarily arrogant or abusive.

I am talking about an attitude, a defense mechanism that some of us may have when we are in touristic places or tourist establishments. It starts with the way you walk or move. It can be non verbal. It's like you have the words, F off in your forehead, and somehow even those who are illiterate get your message.

YOU KNOW SCAMMERS, RIPP OFFS, CON ARTIST, BEGGARS, LIARS, TOUTS haunt the space and you just want to ward them off. Some people try to act DUMB, so they can cheat you and they waste your time. BUT YOU ARE feisty, bitchy or American (they are probably used to it) you'll get better deals and services. (No offense intended). I'm just saying that being a bitchy American will save you time and money.

The following cases wherein being feisty helps.

1. Taxi rides- Travel mates who speak the local language the negotiations. They can't get a fair deal. I try it with a "Don't take no for an answer tone" and the driver oblidges.
"Its not a questions, it a command"- something you can put behind your head.

2. hostel rates- You dont ask how much, you ask them to Confirm a rumor that their hostel is this price, make it really low. It goes with body language. If you are a girl, try to sound like Samantha Jones, "you get what you want" tone of voice. You have to sound like you are the boss and put a smile though. A VERY FRAGILE SMILE.

I hate it whenever I had to thicken my American accent to save time and money. But I hate being cheated, especially if its too irrational. (i have never been to states and I am not american). But traveling in Asia confirms my theory that slave mentality plagues some societies. I get really shitty deals and treatment at times when I choose to speak with a very NUETRAL ACCENT.

Recently, I was asked to pay 45 yuan for a vegetable dish in small town that was 6 yuan in the big cities. I am growing tired of giving an OSCAR and Golden Globe performance when trying to save money, but 45 Chinese yuan is a fortune, converted to other inferior currencies. So I had to raise my voice and sound like I am grandson of a third world dictator. It ain't fun. But 45 yuan, that like 300 baht for a saucer of veggies in rural area, You mess with the wrong tourist!

ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS POWER? The more nasal or dumb blonde you sound, the lower prices get, if you make the tone really angry. Or for males, you can make your voice really low like you are a telemarketer.

I think they provoke some foreigners to get angry because its entertaining and they get to feel like they are the OPPRESSED heroine in some MEXICAN telenovela or TV series.

But sometimes its good to be a bitch. Someone has to fight for the poor. Like if you are at MC.DONALD's and you see how they rob the poor who had to save money to try their FRENCH FRIES or Cheese Burger, you just had to make a scene. THE SIZE of the cheese is so TINY and the Fries is half the bag. I asked for the manager and the two supervisors and gave them a mini seminar, as if I was President of Mc.donalds USA. Boy, they panic and act as if they are priest getting a command from the Vatican.

English Communications is power in Asia. I don't know if its the same if you are blonde or white. I think it sucks. But it is the culture and I really get disgusted when I see people abuse it. Like when falling in line, some Asians will flash their FOREIGN accent (with local intonation), hoping to INTIMIDATE the local person, so they can GO AHEAD in the line. I use to do that in High School, so when I get it now from other people. I tell them with my most NEW YORKER way, "I'm sorry, but everyone including Gywneth Palthrow has to fall in line, so back off before I squeeze your pathetic Singaporean accent off your throat".

Lastly, when you are in public space like a bus and someone decides to kill everyone by smoking, a line from Sex and the City, will send his cigarrette off the window. It could be anyone, so long as it has the F word, coz chances are thats the only word familiar to the stranger.

2. Posted by s96024 (Full Member 106 posts) 7y

Isn't this just haggling, something you have to do in many countries. I can't believe swearing and shouting would get you anywhere.

3. Posted by Annie0 (Full Member 128 posts) 7y

Quoting Swept Away

Feisty- you may google it. I was looking for a synonym for the word bitchy. Fierce perhaps. But not necessarily arrogant or abusive.

I am talking about an attitude, a defense mechanism that some of us may have when we are in touristic places or tourist establishments. It starts with the way you walk or move. It can be non verbal. It's like you have the words, F off in your forehead, and somehow even those who are illiterate get your message.

YOU KNOW SCAMMERS, RIPP OFFS, CON ARTIST, BEGGARS, LIARS, TOUTS haunt the space and you just want to ward them off. Some people try to act DUMB, so they can cheat you and they waste your time. BUT YOU ARE feisty, bitchy or American (they are probably used to it) you'll get better deals and services. (No offense intended). I'm just saying that being a bitchy American will save you time and money.

The following cases wherein being feisty helps.

1. Taxi rides- Travel mates who speak the local language the negotiations. They can't get a fair deal. I try it with a "Don't take no for an answer tone" and the driver oblidges.
"Its not a questions, it a command"- something you can put behind your head.

2. hostel rates- You dont ask how much, you ask them to Confirm a rumor that their hostel is this price, make it really low. It goes with body language. If you are a girl, try to sound like Samantha Jones, "you get what you want" tone of voice. You have to sound like you are the boss and put a smile though. A VERY FRAGILE SMILE.

I hate it whenever I had to thicken my American accent to save time and money. But I hate being cheated, especially if its too irrational. (i have never been to states and I am not american). But traveling in Asia confirms my theory that slave mentality plagues some societies. I get really shitty deals and treatment at times when I choose to speak with a very NUETRAL ACCENT.

Recently, I was asked to pay 45 yuan for a vegetable dish in small town that was 6 yuan in the big cities. I am growing tired of giving an OSCAR and Golden Globe performance when trying to save money, but 45 Chinese yuan is a fortune, converted to other inferior currencies. So I had to raise my voice and sound like I am grandson of a third world dictator. It ain't fun. But 45 yuan, that like 300 baht for a saucer of veggies in rural area, You mess with the wrong tourist!

ARE YOU AWARE OF THIS POWER? The more nasal or dumb blonde you sound, the lower prices get, if you make the tone really angry. Or for males, you can make your voice really low like you are a telemarketer.

I think they provoke some foreigners to get angry because its entertaining and they get to feel like they are the OPPRESSED heroine in some MEXICAN telenovela or TV series.

But sometimes its good to be a bitch. Someone has to fight for the poor. Like if you are at MC.DONALD's and you see how they rob the poor who had to save money to try their FRENCH FRIES or Cheese Burger, you just had to make a scene. THE SIZE of the cheese is so TINY and the Fries is half the bag. I asked for the manager and the two supervisors and gave them a mini seminar, as if I was President of Mc.donalds USA. Boy, they panic and act as if they are priest getting a command from the Vatican.

English Communications is power in Asia. I don't know if its the same if you are blonde or white. I think it sucks. But it is the culture and I really get disgusted when I see people abuse it. Like when falling in line, some Asians will flash their FOREIGN accent (with local intonation), hoping to INTIMIDATE the local person, so they can GO AHEAD in the line. I use to do that in High School, so when I get it now from other people. I tell them with my most NEW YORKER way, "I'm sorry, but everyone including Gywneth Palthrow has to fall in line, so back off before I squeeze your pathetic Singaporean accent off your throat".

Lastly, when you are in public space like a bus and someone decides to kill everyone by smoking, a line from Sex and the City, will send his cigarrette off the window. It could be anyone, so long as it has the F word, coz chances are thats the only word familiar to the stranger.

HI Swept away
Sounds like ...................... U R havin a bad day!!!!

4. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y


  1. Swept Away#.... Just to raise the issue of different prices in various locations for pretty much the same product.... This has raised eyebrows for years. GB (and it's far from unique), has so many places that do such a thing. Bradford (a city in the NW) has the finest Indian food in the country - by far. Yet it's possible to buy an excellent curry in a restaurant there for about £7. In some London diners, a sub-standard product described as the same thing, can cost you 20 times more!! Astounding, but true - and not unusual.

5. Posted by bentivogli (Travel Guru 2398 posts) 7y

I cannot help noticing the tone of voice in this and other of the OP's recent messages.

Swept Away, your contributions to the TP forums used to be of better quality. I really think that posts like this one, which do not seem to contain a question or a topic for discussion, but are just written in 'sending mode', should be posted on a blog instead of in a forum.

best, Niels

6. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 7y

Quoting bentivogli

I cannot help noticing the tone of voice in this and other of the OP's recent messages.

Swept Away, your contributions to the TP forums used to be of better quality. I really think that posts like this one, which do not seem to contain a question or a topic for discussion, but are just written in 'sending mode', should be posted on a blog instead of in a forum.

best, Niels

I agree with you about the blogging, Niels. I'm not so eager to agree with the "better quality" though it's just my own personal opinion and you may be correct. I do find (almost) every thread to be of a negative nature in one form or another and have been known to comment to that fact. This is actually a thread that will be better served in the Off Topic Forum, where there is more latitude for such discussions, and where this thread can now be found.

Swept Away, come on over to Off Topic with your threads as you will receive more lively debates and comments. General Talk is designed for informational requests which do not fall under a specific destination category. Your more recent threads definitely classify as Off Topic material and future ones (of similar ilk), if posted in General Talk, will be moved.

Isa now returns this thread to it's originally scheduled topic...

7. Posted by CanadaGuy (Respected Member 199 posts) 7y

Being rude or arrogant or loud is rarely the most effective route to get what you want, particularly in Asia, in my experience. Not saying that that is what the poster advises, but there are more subtle ways of getting what you want without beinig a loud and obnoxious, (and cheap ) backpacker.

And like always, when you are in a free country, if you don't like the price being asked, and cannot bargain to an acceptable one, you are certainly able to walk elsewhere...

I'd still be interested in what "Swept Away" enjoys about travel, what inspires him in his journey, rather than the continued saga of his many difficulties and complaints at each and every step and almost constant negativity in his posts...

I will say again, it's not worth it to sweat the small stuff... Some people really need to learn that to be happy.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2009, at 09:19 by CanadaGuy ]

8. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 7y

I am guilty of this attitude and reaction myself, and I am somewhat ashamed when I've reacted in this way, and, IT GOT ME ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE!!!

I was in Hanoi this spring and raised a big fuss when my hotel had to put me up in their sister hotel for one night, because that hotel was so inferior to the other accommodation. I soon found out that by raising my voice and ire, I only embarrassed myself and increased their attitude that Americans were downright rude and unreasonable.

We are travelers in their country, and as such should accept a different mentality from our own. Sorry, but I don't agree that such rudeness gets results. By being so outspoken and demanding, we are increasing the "ugly American" theme. My personal problem with this is that I have a short fuse, and feel that by letting off steam in this way, others will react (even at home, the results are not especially productive!) Yes, this does not mean that I won't attempt this in the future - old habits are very hard to control.

9. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 7y

Quoting CanadaGuy

I'd still be interested in what "Swept Away" enjoys about travel, what inspires him in his journey, rather than the continued saga of his many difficulties and complaints at each and every step and almost constant negativity in his posts...

I honestly have to agree - again. I can understand the negativity at age 18 when we think the world revolves around us, but at 29 - it's time to grow up or simply stay home. There is an old adage about being able to "catch more bees (or flies - take your pick) with honey than with vinegar". (Okay, flies would rather go for poop and rotting things.) But, the meaning is clear - being kind works much more effectively than being an asshole.

If one has found using "f*ck" as effective language - so be it. But, I have rarely found it useful for obtaining the services or items that I wanted to receive. If you want something - a smile, conversation and humor will achieve that goal more readily. Regardless of the situation or what we have wanted, those 3 things have always worked to our advantage in a major way. In the 22 years that Beerman and I have been traveling together, I can't remember once where a "Hi. How are you today? Oh, customers been driving you crazy? That's too bad. Well, hopefully your work day will be over soon..." type of comment hasn't gotten us what we wanted. If it hasn't - we haven't really cared because the world does not revolve around us. Basically, sometimes it just "sucks to be you" and you learn to deal without complaining at every corner. But, I digress...

The fact that you are uncomfortable in your own skin (and heritage) is not anyone's problem than your own. Get over it. Being rude and obnoxious is no way to go through life. Well, maybe it is but count me out.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2009, at 11:40 by Isadora ]

10. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 7y

Quoting Daawgon

I am guilty of this attitude and reaction myself, and I am somewhat ashamed when I've reacted in this way, and, IT GOT ME ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE!!!

So its not just me.