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11. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

The automatic table generator only considers properties in our budget accommodation database, not the hotels database.

Hmm... I see some property listed as Hotel.

12. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting Hien

Quoting Peter

The automatic table generator only considers properties in our budget accommodation database, not the hotels database.

Hmm... I see some property listed as Hotel.

Yes, but they are only the budget hotels that are in the budget accommodation system.

The Hotels section includes a lot of 4/5 star hotels as well, but from a different provider. Problem is that those two systems are not at all integrated. And the budget one is where our effort is going :)

13. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 7y

Wow, great option.
Busy doing the European capitals now.

A few things:
1. I noticed that countries like Aland and Faroer are not in the list. I needed to go to Finland (Aland, not Mariehamn) and Denmark to get the info about those capitals.
2. I may hope this can only be done for cities/towns etc. If we have this in a wiki article for a country, province, state, region, island or otherwise, it might just be too big and too much work as well.
3. The list of cities for Germany (just tried Berlin) is not working, there is none. edit: Spain the same
4. I do hope that the template of budget, midrange and topend is kept. I added the list at budget for now, but no need to skip top end etc. I sometimes choose a more expensive hotels for the first night after a long flight for example. The Sydney and Melbourne articles don't seem to have this template anymore, which is a shame I think.

Feel embarrased to actually 'contribute' this much. Oh well, guess this is a reward for me contributing and for being online always

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2009, at 08:38 by Utrecht ]

14. Posted by Lavafalls (Travel Guru 155 posts) 7y

I have noticed that this new sleep chart has been added to a lot cities in the last couple of days. Although in some ways i think it is a good idea in other ways i don't like how it removes the personal feel from hotels and hostels that people stayed in. Also, and i will admit this is a little personal, myself and other people put a lot of time into articles and to lose tons of credit for a chart is a bit disappointing. An example i will give is Florence, i spent a lot of time working on that article now i only get 5% of the credit. Maybe putting the charts on a different article linked off the accommodation section might settle the issue.

15. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting Lavafalls

I have noticed that this new sleep chart has been added to a lot cities in the last couple of days. Although in some ways i think it is a good idea in other ways i don't like how it removes the personal feel from hotels and hostels that people stayed in.

I think the benefit of having the information there just outweighs the personal recommendation benefits. The big problem with relying on personal recommendations in a wiki setting is that the author simply cannot know enough about all the options to provide a good recommendation (well, it's highly unusual anyway). This is why the Sleep section for most cities has been really sparse and frankly not very useful.

You know, it might just be the styling that makes it all look a little too official. I might be able to play around with that to tie it in more.

The other thing I would like to do is somehow highlight reviews for each property from the table. This would bring back more o the personal recommendation feel.

Also, and i will admit this is a little personal, myself and other people put a lot of time into articles and to lose tons of credit for a chart is a bit disappointing. An example i will give is Florence, i spent a lot of time working on that article now i only get 5% of the credit. Maybe putting the charts on a different article linked off the accommodation section might settle the issue.

Hmm yes, I can see this is a bit of an issue. I managed to pick up 50% of the contribution to the London article, which is kind of over the top.

I wonder, would there be any objection to leaving the accommodation tables out of the contribution calculations? The potential problem with that being that any manual additions also will not be counted. But maybe that's OK in that context? One more deterrent for spammers as well.

The only other solution I can think of is to manually assign these changes to a user called hostelBot or something like that. But because I'm not keen on getting a bot to actually do the inserting, this would require an extra manual step. Or maybe a flag when editing the post to assign the contribution to the bot?

I don't know, it's tricky. I don't really like slanting these contributions unfairly either.

16. Posted by Lavafalls (Travel Guru 155 posts) 7y

Thanks for the quick response and understanding. Another issue i have with the new system is putting stuff in the native lang. Example i was looking at the section for hotels in beijing and if you don't have stuff in characters in China its useless for the common chinese person. So maybe a column for that?

For the subjective reviews of hotels maybe an article off of the main page with the information in the old format? That way we don't lose that information but its not front and center.

17. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting Lavafalls

Thanks for the quick response and understanding. Another issue i have with the new system is putting stuff in the native lang. Example i was looking at the section for hotels in beijing and if you don't have stuff in characters in China its useless for the common chinese person. So maybe a column for that?

It is entirely possible to add extra columns and I think for a situation like foreign characters that would probably be a good idea.

For the subjective reviews of hotels maybe an article off of the main page with the information in the old format? That way we don't lose that information but its not front and center.

One way you can add some information is by creating a Description column - see an example on the Chicago article. By default, I am not pulling in any of the descriptions from our own listings, since they are written by the owner and therefore biased. I decided to hide it behind that info icon, since otherwise the table just gets awfully long.

And general commentary about a city's options can still be provided above or below the table. Sometimes it might be appropriate to point out specific highlights there as well without the need to add in all the specifics like address, etc ..

If the articles were edited to that level, do you think it would be improved?

18. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

I've just updated the styling of the table to make it feel a bit more integrated. Basically, removing a lot of borders and some of the blocky background colours. Hopefully it helps.

19. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 7y

Quoting Peter

I've just updated the styling of the table to make it feel a bit more integrated. Basically, removing a lot of borders and some of the blocky background colours. Hopefully it helps.

1. Is that automatically done for the other articles that have been done already? Otherwise: shame of work...now you go ahead, took my hours to complete it
2. Spain and Germany fixed already?
3. Agree with Lavafalls, no contribution to the percentage of the article, otherwise it would be a little easy and strange, don't you think.
4. In relation to 3: let's hope that not more parts will be automatically created in the near future, I think this one is enough. It looks very cool and it's perfect for users that want to use the wiki guide and book accommodation, but let's hope that the rest, like lavafalls said, will be and stay more personal.
5. I found out that indeed countries or provinces is not possible right?

Cheers!
Michael.

20. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 7y

Quoting Utrecht

Quoting Peter

I've just updated the styling of the table to make it feel a bit more integrated. Basically, removing a lot of borders and some of the blocky background colours. Hopefully it helps.

1. Is that automatically done for the other articles that have been done already? Otherwise: shame of work...now you go ahead, took my hours to complete it

It affects all the existing tables. It's purely a style change, so doesn't affect any of the code you inserted :)

2. Spain and Germany fixed already?

Not yet. I'll have a look in a sec. The other issues were more pressing, particularly getting it working correctly in IE.

3. Agree with Lavafalls, no contribution to the percentage of the article, otherwise it would be a little easy and strange, don't you think.

Ok, I'll have to make this happen somehow. Are you happy for accommodation tables to just not ever be included? Or maybe just the rows with TPIDs in them, since those are the automatic ones?

4. In relation to 3: let's hope that not more parts will be automatically created in the near future, I think this one is enough. It looks very cool and it's perfect for users that want to use the wiki guide and book accommodation, but let's hope that the rest, like lavafalls said, will be and stay more personal.

We don't have any plans for other sections in the near future. Although I must admit, if we had a database of restaurant reviews, I would be tempted to do that. But we don't have such a database or any immediate plans to add one.

5. I found out that indeed countries or provinces is not possible right?

Yep, you can only generate the list automatically on a per town / city basis. I noticed a couple of bugs coming through when you tried - will put in a patch to stop that. I don't think we want to have listings like this for a whole country. I don't see the point. Unless it's somewhere with very limited accommodation like East Timor maybe.

Peter