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11. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Quoting sapphyre

Quoting bgl

For anyone heading to Pyongyang, might be good to know you can STILL have that experience! Air Koryo operates four Ilyushin Il-62MKs, even though two of them are exclusively operated for the North Korean Government. But the other two operate some of the airline's scheduled services. And in case you miss out on the Il-62 experience, you might be in luck with some of the carrier's 25-35 year old Tupolevs (Tu-134s and Tu-154s) and a pair of Ilyushin Il-18s built in the mid 1960s... Newest aircraft in the fleet: a 16 year old Tu-204-300.

And to think they've supposedly improved to meet our airport's safety standards such that we now have direct flights from here to Pyongyang!

bgl do you know the planes they're using on this route?

You mean to Singapore Sapphyre? I had a look at the wiki page of the Pyongyang International Airport but couldn't find Singapore. Maybe it hasn't been updated for a while.

Still, the type of plane doesn't necessarily mean the safety standards aren't met. When the planes are probably maintained they can still be quite good. Just like some nice oldtimer cars;)
It seems that they are even allowed into EU territory, with chartered flights even to Zurich Wonder when those charter flights actually take off

12. Posted by sapphyre (Respected Member 418 posts) 7y

Utrecht - yeah you read me right, direct Singapore-N Korea flights! It's part of a FTA that we signed with them. It was announced late last year but I just did a check on our airport webpage, perhaps flights have not started.

13. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

Checked Air Koryo's website (was surprised they even had one!) and Singapore is not shown on the short list of destinations for their scheduled services. Could mean one of two things: the flights havn't started yet OR they are operated as charter flights. Considering the distance between Pyongyang and Singapore, the most likely candidate would be the Ilyushin 62. And I seriously doubt they operate to Zürich, or any other airport in western Europe/EU. Europe has much more stringent noise rules now than just a few years ago, and I'm fairly certain none of the Air Koryo aircraft will meet those restrictions, with the exception of the Tu-204-300 and that's not a long-range aircraft.

[ Edit: Edited on 21-May-2009, at 09:12 by bgl ]

14. Posted by tleb (Full Member 117 posts) 7y

Quoting bgl

Checked Air Koryo's website (was surprised they even had one!) and Singapore is not shown on the short list of destinations for their scheduled services. Could mean one of two things: the flights havn't started yet OR they are operated as charter flights. Considering the distance between Pyongyang and Singapore, the most likely candidate would be the Ilyushin 62. And I seriously doubt they operate to Zürich, or any other airport in western Europe/EU. Europe has much more stringent noise rules now than just a few years ago, and I'm fairly certain none of the Air Koryo aircraft will meet those restrictions, with the exception of the Tu-204-300 and that's not a long-range aircraft.

Dude, you must really love planes. I'm glad I'm a member in a website that puts me in touch with someone like you. Off the top of my head I don't have any questions, but if I ever have some, I know the first place I will come to ask.

15. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Quoting tleb

Quoting bgl

Checked Air Koryo's website (was surprised they even had one!) and Singapore is not shown on the short list of destinations for their scheduled services. Could mean one of two things: the flights havn't started yet OR they are operated as charter flights. Considering the distance between Pyongyang and Singapore, the most likely candidate would be the Ilyushin 62. And I seriously doubt they operate to Zürich, or any other airport in western Europe/EU. Europe has much more stringent noise rules now than just a few years ago, and I'm fairly certain none of the Air Koryo aircraft will meet those restrictions, with the exception of the Tu-204-300 and that's not a long-range aircraft.

Dude, you must really love planes. I'm glad I'm a member in a website that puts me in touch with someone like you. Off the top of my head I don't have any questions, but if I ever have some, I know the first place I will come to ask.

Mmmm.
Few inaccuracies though.

16. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

Such as?

17. Posted by Cool Paul (Travel Guru 611 posts) 7y

I sat in a plane in philadelphia for 3 hours before taking off...and they never said why we waited. that'll drive you nuts!

but hey I missed my connecting flight in LA and they put me in the westin for two free nights with free food
...now I pray that they make me wait

18. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Isn't it great when an airline pampers you?? Happened to me at LGW - and the overnight they gave me was just the best. Thanks BA.

19. Posted by sofushka (Budding Member 8 posts) 7y

I've already said a few words about Al Italia in the previouse thread,but want to add smth.A year ago me whith my children and two aged ladies went to Morocco.From Moscow to Casablanka.In Milan whe changed the plane,when i looked at the time table,it was a shokOur liner was aborded!I went to reception and a beautiful lady said that we should return to Moscow,becase there was no free plane ,but in Moscow we whould have oneBut i am not so simple as she decidedI insisted she looked for another one!I said that i'd better sleeped there but wouldn't returned:cheesygrin.One of the ladies had some problems whith her health .Her face became red,then trasformed in white.I was really frihtened of her.At last i looked throw the timetable that there was one boing -Maroc airlines and consisted that we 've taken that planeBy the way, service of Maroc airelines is on a very high level:)!

20. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 7y

Thankfully, I don't have any true horror stories--just one terrible 5-second lurch into thin air way back when on the now-defunct Belgian airline whose name I can't remember.

Just flew Air Transat to Dublin, and had THE worst airline meal ever. I usually like airline food--it's a nice break from the monotony and it usually has a few good bits to it. But this was limp pasta with tasteless sauce, and LIMA BEANS. Yeesh! What a combo!

Came back on Thomas Cook, though, and loved it. TONS of leg room (I though they accidentally put us in 1st class) and a great meal, nice staff, clean bathrooms (except I learned never to use one after an old, old, old lady stumbles out). I shall fly them again, if I can!