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21. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 7y

Ah, where's good old Wocca when you need him to throw some serious fuel on the fire

22. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 7y

Quoting Isadora

I've refrained from commenting any further in this thread, but thank you bwiiian and Q' for swinging that door wide open. No, seriously, thank you.

Quoting Q'

I'm sure Grounds Keeper Isa will be here to sweep up soon.

As one of the managers said in a meeting this morning...."It's easy to criticize."

Ooohhh...."Sweep up" and "Swept Away".....I made a funny and didn't even realize it.....

That's ok, I got to dish it out a little bit this morning too. Not a lot, too busy for that.....

23. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

Quoting Isadora

I've refrained from commenting any further in this thread, but thank you bwiiian and Q' for swinging that door wide open. No, seriously, thank you.

Quoting Q'

I'm sure Grounds Keeper Isa will be here to sweep up soon.

As one of the managers said in a meeting this morning...."It's easy to criticize."

Your manager is correct - it is easy to criticize. All of us have done it in one form or another at one time or another. As for "sweeping up soon", I swept up by removing the inflammatory flag from Wouter's post.

Quoting bwiiian

Quoting wouterrr

Get a life dumbass! U keep boring us, nobody is interested in your stupid lifestories.

Sadly it now seems that personallly abusing people because you dont enjoy reading their posts is now acceptable on these forums. A very sad day indeed. Moderators should feel a little ashamed.

Yes, you're right, I have not quoted the whole text. Anyone interested can just scroll up to read it.

As for the "Sadly it now seems that personallly abusing people because you dont enjoy reading their posts is now acceptable on these forums. A very sad day indeed." It appears that you believe the original poster should be allowed that luxury (abusing people) while others should not (when it comes to the original poster). Fair enough. Considering that several personal messages have been sent and two final warnings posted publicly (for assorted behavior including inflammatory comments), I don't see Wouter's comment more inflammatory comparatively speaking. It was one person's opinion. Like it or not.

Since you like Swept Away's posts because they incite people's anger "when all he is trying to do is spark up a conversation" (yes - took your words from another thread) then you can't become too angry when someone else does.

Quoting bwiiian

I like sweptaways posts, he always gets people angry when all he is trying to do is spark up a conversation.

To be fair, the whole quote is taken from here

Concerning the "Moderators should feel a little ashamed." comment, personally speaking and since I am the Moderator who made the decision, not in the slightest.

So, on that note and just so no one is confused on the issue, the reasons for my actions are:

  • The flagged post was one person's opinion.
  • The post was less inflammatory than many of those written by the original poster (in a number of threads) and (those) allowed to stay by both Moderators and Administrators alike.
  • The original poster has been given numerous warnings yet continues to try and defy those warnings.
  • Giving consideration to the overall nature of Off Topic, and the types of comments that have been allowed over time, this particular comment does not qualify for deletion.
  • I could just keep going but there's no need. If anyone is truly unhappy with my decision, please contact Admin. (Sorry guys.)

I haven't read all of Sweptaways posts as I am not a moderator on these forums so that is not my job, but the ones I have read don't seem to have involved him personally abusing people. Please show me these threads and prove me wrong and I wil retract my statement about not being allowed to abuse people on here.
It is also laughable that you have said that I like sweptaway to "incite people's anger". I actually said that I like his posts because he gets people angry when he is just trying to start a conversation. A bit different to "inciting anger" dont you think (I presume your first language is english)? I like a good strong conversation but I still think that personally abusing people just shows a lack of thought and intelligence and that sort of thing is really not what a travel forum should be about. But if that is what you as a moderator thinks is ok for these forums then so be it. I still think it is sad and a bit shameful and something that tarnishes an otherwise very good forum.

24. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 7y

Quoting bwiiian

I actually said that I like his posts because he gets people angry when he is just trying to start a conversation. A bit different to "inciting anger" dont you think (I presume your first language is english)? I like a good strong conversation but I still think that personally abusing people just shows a lack of thought and intelligence and that sort of thing is really not what a travel forum should be about. But if that is what you as a moderator thinks is ok for these forums then so be it. I still think it is sad and a bit shameful and something that tarnishes an otherwise very good forum.

In an ideal world you would be right. But in the real world it just doesn't work. One man's literary genius, is another's raving lunatic.

Personal abuse is a lack of thought. But lack of intelligence, I wouldn't come to that conclusion. A lot of very intelligent people hurl very intelligent personal abuse at each other over very intelligent subjects. Art, Science, Literature, Politics, Philosophy, etc. You name it, the world is full of it. That's probably why you like Swept Away's posts.

Personal abuse is usually a sign of frustration. It's a sign of anger. Yes of course. But what caused that anger ? In my mind, a lack of communication is the cause. Communication is a two way street. I don't like Swept Away's posts for a bunch of reasons, but most importantly because they don't have any coherance, and they don't make any sense. You can not have a conversation by not communicating. So what do you suggest ?

[ Edit: Edited on 08-Jul-2009, at 20:34 by Q' ]

25. Posted by bwiiian (Travel Guru 768 posts) 7y

I suggest we just all try to be a bit nicer to each other

I just dont think abusing people is very nice. There are plenty of threads I don't like on here, for example the self congratulatory w*** fest that is all about what makes one a world traveller, but I would not personally abuse people that reply to that thread, I just choose not to read it. Simple really.

26. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 7y

bwiiian, Swept Away called James' mother a wh*re!
Obviously, that thread/post has been removed, so can't be shown to you.
Enough said.
Yawn and Amen!

27. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 7y

Quoting bwiiian

I suggest we just all try to be a bit nicer to each other

Well, yes. I think anyone would agree with that. But again it's a two way street. Let me clarify my question. What do you suggest we do when someone repeatedly ignores warnings, both private and public, to behave themselves and be a "bit nicer" to the other members of the forum ? What do you suggest we do when someone, by the shear volumn of his posts, pushes himself into other members attention ? The threat of login deletion has been hinted at several times, but not used at this point. I think that speaks quite a lot about the type of forum this is. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone is entitled to their behavior. But getting along is always a two way street.

[ Edit: Edited on 09-Jul-2009, at 08:18 by Q' ]

28. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting bwiiian

I suggest we just all try to be a bit nicer to each other

I just dont think abusing people is very nice. There are plenty of threads I don't like on here, for example the self congratulatory w*** fest that is all about what makes one a world traveller, but I would not personally abuse people that reply to that thread, I just choose not to read it. Simple really.

I think abusing is not a very big deal, especially to people like swept away. I just choose to react on him. Simple really. Why are you defending a lunatic whoes goal is to provoke others? Yawn and amen!!

[ Edit: Edited on 09-Jul-2009, at 09:34 by wouterrr ]

29. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 7y

I haven't been around TP much of late due to a lack of free time unfortunately, but in the 4 and half years I've been a member this kind of issue has cropped up a few times and follows the same pattern.

One of the nice things about this community is that the long-term and the newer regular members here feel protective of the site I suppose and want to maintain its greatness Anytime there appears to be friction between members, people get understandably riled up and jump into the mix!

I read a few of Swept Away's posts and have formed my own opinion of them, whether rightly or wrongly I don't know for sure But my advice, for what it's worth, is that if you feel provoked by a comment or an intimation, at the end of the day it's probably just as easy not to react and fuel such problems on the forum. That said, I can't actually follow my own advice a lot of the time. I can be a hothead at the best of times!!

All I'm saying is that, for the mostpart, a member who isn't really here to share travel related knowledge and benefit from the community, usually doesn't last very long. A few past users here spring to mind.

So, if Swept Away is sincerely not trying to provoke people, then I think that over time spent with the community here, people will all start to understand him better and tensions will diminish.

And if he is just trying to get under people's skin, then he won't stick around for the long haul if he receives no reaction to what seem to be provocative, negative comments.

I kinda wish I could pull up all the past threads that are similar to this one so you can read them!! Very entertaining but we all got so mad on a few occasions. I think a "Best Of TP" book is in order!

[ Edit: Edited on 09-Jul-2009, at 11:55 by samsara2 ]

30. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 7y

Quoting samsara2

: I think a "Best Of TP" book is in order!

I'll buy it for sure!
So, who is in it? That is, after the first pages where mom and dad are surely meant to be;)