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11. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 7y

Hmm just realised the bug isn't entirely resolved. For now, you will notice contributors to redirected articles like Zurich show the same contributors as Zürich. Will have to get a fix later, though it shouldn't cause any major issues I don't think.

12. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 7y

Quite a few links are now broken because title linking is now case-sensitive. Can we revert to case insensitive title linking?

Another thing I notice lately is that more and more newer articles have non-Latin alphabet in the titles. About:Naming articles clearly says to use English titles and also to avoid using characters that aren't from the Roman alphabet. I believe sticking to this naming convention should solve a lot of problem with the titles.

For example, Zürich is always spelled as Zurich in English, as there is no umlaut in the Roman alphabet. Those who are passionate about having the native spelling can always do it like how it is done in many Asian articles where the names in native characters are mentioned in brackets. e.g. China, Thailand, Islamabad

[ Edit: Edited on 25-Sep-2009, at 07:45 by Hien ]

13. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Although I agree with Hien, that not using an umlaut or other examples, will mean we don't have that problem anymore, I am not a fan of having too much strict rules about these and other aspects of contributing in the travelguide.

I don't think there really is a 100% right or 100% wrong thing.
Although in English it might be Zurich, around the internet and in guidebooks (which are in English), this place and many others are usually called Zürich as well.
It becomes different though, if non Latin alphabet is used, and the name in brackest in the native language is indeed a good option.
I do think it's a good thing that Lome is changed into Lomé etc, so having some form of personal interpretation (within reason that is) can only be a good thing.

Another thing about naming articles is to avoid using the word 'The' for example as the first word. Lately Hien changed it correctly into Tower of Hercules. Otherwise after a while we will have numerous articles starting with THE which makes searching for what you are looking for a bit more time consuming. This might not apply always, but usually it does.

All in all, it is a bit of grey field. Some rules are important, but as far as I am concerned, not too much please.
Just my opinion of course and my two cents to the discussion;)

14. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 7y

Something happened with the Cacéres page when I renamed it to Caceres. (on the new page it says it redirects from Cceres.

Can it be that we have unleashed a couple of tigers to kill one bug?

15. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 7y

Better to have a short break of changing articles.
As it seems that some are changing from normal (Lome) to Lomé, while others are changing from Cáceres to Caceres (normal again).
Also with regard to the 100% contribution which appears for the member that changed the title.
Cheers

[ Edit: Edited on 25-Sep-2009, at 13:49 by Utrecht ]

16. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 7y

I also noted that links to the UNESCO World Heritage list is also influenced, as many times it is not written with capital letters, as it is in the title.

17. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 7y

Hey guys, I've got a way of solving the case sensitivity problem. Will need to tackle it carefully again of course, but should hopefully get to it sometime this weekend.

Hien, we can't just restrict titles to the Roman alphabet and exclude any foreign characters. Maybe in the English guide this would be doable (though in my opinion not a good idea), but in the Chinese guide (and any other future foreign language ones) it is clearly not possible.

I think we need to update that About:Naming Articles article to clarify this actually. I don't believe it was well enough thought through. The standard in my opinion should be to use the proper English name and redirect any name without special characters to that article. The proper English names can usually be checked on Wikipedia fairly reliably and will often include special characters. Zürich is still the correct English spelling. What we should not do is name articles as Roma instead of Rome. Though again, a redirect probably is not a bad idea in those cases either.

Agreed on not starting articles with The. Good idea to add that to the naming article as well.

18. Posted by Herr Bert (Moderator 1384 posts) 7y

you mean: Naming articles (with the A is goes to an empty page )

The The was my mistake in the Tower of Hercules, simply made it from the UNESCO list, where it was listed with the the. Have to add stuff there anyway btw, as it is merely a copy of the text on the A Coruña page.

[ Edit: Edited on 25-Sep-2009, at 15:51 by Herr Bert ]

19. Posted by Hien (Moderator 3906 posts) 7y

Quoting Utrecht

Also with regard to the 100% contribution which appears for the member that changed the title.

The system doesn't transfer the ownership of contribution to the member who does the renaming of articles. Existing contributions are maintained in the newly created article name.

20. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 7y

Quoting Hien

Quoting Utrecht

Also with regard to the 100% contribution which appears for the member that changed the title.

The system doesn't transfer the ownership of contribution to the member who does the renaming of articles. Existing contributions are maintained in the newly created article name.

Well, you're right that it shouldn't, but there is a bug here, because it is: Old Town of Caceres

It probably won't be till tomorrow till I get around to a fix for this and the case-sensitive issue. I know how to resolve both, but not enough time during this weekend.