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1. Posted by arif_kool (Travel Guru 1757 posts) 7y

Its really unfortunate to hear that the flight crashed into the Atlantic and all 228 people on board are feared dead.
Since we all are travellers, such news is always disturbing.

We all stand with the family members of those killed and may God grant them courage to withstand this hour of crisis and grief.

2. Posted by zaksame (Respected Member 571 posts) 7y

Well said.

3. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Nice tribute.

4. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 7y

Very unfortunate, and my condolences to all concerned.

Aside from the horror of this crash, some are questioning just how safe Air France is - their record is not particularly good:

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4435101/

5. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

Extremely tragic and disconcerting with this type of accident, where we probably won't know what happened for a long time. Daawgon, I checked out the link to Airliners.net, and even though that's certainly not a good track record, it's worth keeping in mind that in most of those incidents there were no fatalities. And some of them are not really all that relevant from a passengers' point of view. For instance, A340 on 20/1/94 was during maintenance at Paris CDG. A320 on 26/6/88 was during a demonstration flight. No passengers on that flight, but the crew was killed. Happened during a low level flight - not exactly a scenario that ever is likely to happen during a regular commercial flight. And the A300 on 26/12/94 was written off at Marseille after police stormed it during a hi-jacking. No fatalities. No doubt, a stressful and disturbing experience for the passengers, but hardly something that Air France can be faulted for!

6. Posted by Redpaddy (Inactive 1004 posts) 7y

Mmmm.... Not good. This Air-France Airbus - and everyone killed on Air-France Concorde in 2000 out of CDG, with ground fatalities as well - although that tragedy wasn't directly linked to a fault on Concorde, but was caused by a piece of plane on the runway, that fell off from a previous Continental Airlines plane, which Concorde hit on take-off, causing a fire and the subsequent crash.
The mystery continues into the latest Air France disaster.
The BBC reported today that it's auto-pilot would normally be switched on at the stage of the flight when it disappeared off radar, but it wasn't - and it had sent out 24 stress calls. It also sent out an automatic message saying that there was an electrical failure. Real nasty stuff.

7. Posted by bgl (Full Member 167 posts) 7y

One thing I failed to mention in my post above is a disturbing trend among several of the incidents. They happened either when an Air France aircraft was taxying and caught fire, OR overran the runway after landing. In all those cases, everybody evacuated safely. The most spectacular event was probably the A340 that overran the runway after landing at Toronto and broke up after it ended up in a ravine. Amazingly no one was killed, but still, not exactly the way you want to arrive...

8. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 7y

Quoting Redpaddy

Mmmm.... Not good. This Air-France Airbus - and everyone killed on Air-France Concorde in 2000 out of CDG, with ground fatalities as well - although that tragedy wasn't directly linked to a fault on Concorde, but was caused by a piece of plane on the runway, that fell off from a previous Continental Airlines plane, which Concorde hit on take-off, causing a fire and the subsequent crash

I have a friend that is a pilot and has studied the Concorde crash extensively. He did not buy the 'Continental Airline caused the crash' line. I just did a wiki search on that crash and read much more about the Concorde crash. Take a look at the other theories of why it crashed. There is more to the story than a piece of metal left on the runway.

I think the latest Air France crash will end up with the old standby: 'pilot error'. Flying into such huge thunderstorms is a disaster waiting to happen. I have heard several pilots talk about the conditions the night of the Air France flight 447. They all agreed that pilots will fly hundreds of miles out of their way to avoid major thunderstorms. Apparently the Atlantic between South America and Africa is well known for monster storms. Flight 447 flew right into a massive thunderstorm, the error messages sent confirm this. Why these pilots chose to fly through them needs to be addressed.

All of us that travel frequently have to be aware that not all planes arrive safely. I knew that on my first trip to Thailand back in 1990 and chose to fly anyway. I still chose to fly whenever I can, even though I know accidents can and do occur. The other option is to stay home and hope for the best. No thanks, I want to see as much of this planet as I can and that means getting on airplanes every year. My 2 cents.

9. Posted by bex76 (Moderator 3713 posts) 7y

Quoting vegasmike6

I think the latest Air France crash will end up with the old standby: 'pilot error'. Flying into such huge thunderstorms is a disaster waiting to happen. I have heard several pilots talk about the conditions the night of the Air France flight 447. They all agreed that pilots will fly hundreds of miles out of their way to avoid major thunderstorms. Apparently the Atlantic between South America and Africa is well known for monster storms. Flight 447 flew right into a massive thunderstorm, the error messages sent confirm this. Why these pilots chose to fly through them needs to be addressed.

I've wondered that too - I have been on a plane myself where the pilot announced that we were flying out of our way to avoid a bad thunderstorm. I read that another plane that same night flew around the storm that the Air France plane flew into.

10. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 7y

I heard tonight that Airbus warned AF some time ago to replace the speed sensors on their A330's, and that AF was slow to make the upgrade. This is not the kind of airline I choose to fly.