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11. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting beerman

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

Another four years of 'Death to <pick any western country>', 'Death to Israel'.
HO HUM

Beerman asked for some positivity, can you show us some or will we stay pessimistic (and deceiving) forever wotthefiq;).

Yes I did, and thanks for pointing that out wouterrr......however, wotthefiqh is absolutely right in saying that the rhetoric out of Iran is not likely to change in the next four years. Ahmadinejad is on record many times saying "death to Israel" and "death to the West", which is really the biggest shame of all.

What you say makes a lot of sense (but did he say death to any western country in particular or just to Israel and USA/ which is politically sensitive obviously). Aheminejad is a nutcase (same as former US president Bush as we agreed) but he is also involved in a political game. He takes his stance against the illegal (let's face it) occupation of Isreal in parts of Palestina and financial input of the USA in Israel. It is not a one-sided problem. So dont be surprised when someone is rebellious. That is the reason behind post#5, see it from both sides, there is always a cause-consequence as we learn in school. And I absolutely agree with you, Kris, that the American citizens are not to blame, same as that the normal muslim (in any muslim country) is not to blame, unfortunately that still happens. It are always "the Americans" and "the muslims". It is not more than a political game/war between nutters. I sincerely hope Obama does it better and I regret that Aheminejad is "re-elected".

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jun-2009, at 08:28 by wouterrr ]

12. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

Another four years of 'Death to <pick any western country>', 'Death to Israel'.
HO HUM

Beerman asked for some positivity, can you show us some or will we stay pessimistic (and deceiving) forever wotthefiq;).

Eek alors,

It may be negative to state the bleeding obvious but you can call me Moriarty http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuStsFW4EmQ

Every dictatorship should fear it's citizens, and I think it may have finally come to the power-drunk ayatollics.
That is one positive, albeit a very small one.

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jun-2009, at 09:22 by wotthefiqh ]

13. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting wouterrr

Quoting wotthefiqh

Another four years of 'Death to <pick any western country>', 'Death to Israel'.
HO HUM

Beerman asked for some positivity, can you show us some or will we stay pessimistic (and deceiving) forever wotthefiq;).

Every dictatorship should fear it's citizens, and I think it may have finally come to the power-drunk ayatollics.
That is one positive, albeit a very small one.

Power-drunk ayatollah's is one problem. Israel/Palestina is another problem.

14. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 7y

I don't have anything terribly political to add to the thread, but it would be nice if beerman's sentiment of peace was a lot more present in the world. Everywhere I go, people are fighting over something (here at home it's language and separation--ho hum), and people tend to attribute a whole lot of unnecessary significance to their cause. From the outside, the fight looks dull and silly--yet every region has something that gets their knickers in a bind.

How is it easier to define your identity by being different instead of finding ways we're the same?

15. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Every dictatorship should fear it's citizens, ......

Right on ! As Bush found out !

16. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

It is fantastic to see that the Iranians are protesting massively against Ahmedinejad and his "honest" win in the elections.

17. Posted by Cool Paul (Travel Guru 611 posts) 7y

this and Kim Jong Il's recent antics are not going to be a good combination.

18. Posted by Cool Paul (Travel Guru 611 posts) 7y

Quoting tway

I don't have anything terribly political to add to the thread, but it would be nice if beerman's sentiment of peace was a lot more present in the world. Everywhere I go, people are fighting over something (here at home it's language and separation--ho hum), and people tend to attribute a whole lot of unnecessary significance to their cause. From the outside, the fight looks dull and silly--yet every region has something that gets their knickers in a bind.

How is it easier to define your identity by being different instead of finding ways we're the same?

how nice would it be if all of the world thought the same as open-minded world travellers?

-Western nations would be more generous with their wealth... "You need food? Just take what you need, there's plenty to go around!"

-the mid-east would offer to help out with gas when it gets low.

-Muslims and Jews would be getting into drunken arguments only to become best friends afterwards and make fun of the mormons.

-we would have pirate parties on boats off the coast of africa.

-everybody would pitch in and send mexico a a giant get-well card

-the UN would hold giant international BBQs where everyone learns a little bit of a new language

things would be so much better!

[ Edit: Edited on 16-Jun-2009, at 19:44 by Cool Paul ]

19. Posted by wotthefiqh (Inactive 1447 posts) 7y

Quoting wouterrr

Beerman asked for some positivity, can you show us some or will we stay pessimistic (and deceiving) forever wotthefiq;).

wotthefiqh "MUM MUM!!!"

mum "Wot's wrong, son?"

wotthefiqh "That man's serial-labelling me again"

mum "What did he call you this time?"

wotthefiqh "He says I'm a deceiver, mum".

mum "Sounds like he's met your good-for-nothing father somewhere on his travels" <raucous laughter from the kitchen>

Another meaningless title (deceiver) to put on my business card along with the 'crusader' and 'them-hater' tags you gave me.

If there are any revanchivist commies in the audience, please be advised that I could just squeeze 'kulak' on the card if you're quick.

Why should I be pessimistic?
I live in a civil liberal democracy, not a violent medieval theocracy.

20. Posted by wouterrr (Travel Guru 3379 posts) 7y

Quoting wotthefiqh

Quoting wouterrr

Beerman asked for some positivity, can you show us some or will we stay pessimistic (and deceiving) forever wotthefiq;).

wotthefiqh "MUM MUM!!!"

mum "Wot's wrong, son?"

wotthefiqh "That man's serial-labelling me again"

mum "What did he call you this time?"

wotthefiqh "He says I'm a deceiver, mum".

mum "Sounds like he's met your good-for-nothing father somewhere on his travels" <raucous laughter from the kitchen>

Another meaningless title (deceiver) to put on my business card along with the 'crusader' and 'them-hater' tags you gave me.

If there are any revanchivist commies in the audience, please be advised that I could just squeeze 'kulak' on the card if you're quick.

Why should I be pessimistic?
I live in a civil liberal democracy, not a violent medieval theocracy.

You had to think a couple of days to come up with this? I meant everything I said. You clearly are all these things if I remember your posts about muslims in other threads. I don't need to explain any further. You are free to put crap on the internet but don't be insulted if the responses are not so nice in your eyes;). Freedom of speech is very important as I have learned from you