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1. Posted by Sandra83 (Budding Member 2 posts) 11y

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I've been thinking these days about life in general. I don't like my job very much and University is starting to piss me off.
As I talk to my friends about this, they answer they feel the same about their lives. So, don't you think there's something that is just not working in the world?
I mean, working the whole year to get just a couple of days off, getting home late and tired to do what we really want. Is it capitalism? What is not working well?
I'm Sandra, a 20-year-old girl from Argentina. How do you feel in your country?
Sandra

2. Posted by Clarabell (Travel Guru 1696 posts) 11y

It's true...So many people live to work rather than work to live.

So much depends on earning money. Probably worse if you live in a city, where nothing comes for free and everyone wants to be able to wear good clothes and live in a nice house and go to bars, or the cinema or nice restaurants- but it doesn't seem to be making people happy.

I think the big problem is that we all want too much. In the western world we're constantly being told we need new things, constantly surrounded by images of money and shiny new things, so we all feel we can't live without them. We're living in a material world...

I'd love to be able to live somewhere where you can breathe fresh air, walk on a beach and eat fresh food- enjoy the simple life. Bit of a dream.

It's really sad that in countries where we've got so much more than most of the world we still can't be happy with what we've got.
:(

3. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 11y

Yeah, capitalism and the disintegration of traditional community lifestyles have caused a lot of disillusionment among people I reckon. I mean, we see tons of people on here looking for some more meaningful things to do or some 'way out' of the grind that 9-5 corporate life dictates. I think there are very few people out there who actually enjoy their jobs!

Who knows what the solution is. Maybe just taking more time to chat with people and develop friendships is a start. Certainly, the idea that you need to climb the ladder to be happy is terribly misguided in my opinion. One thing that would be nice, is to do 'team' work. It's always more fun to do something together with other people than just by yourself in a little cubicle - you tend to learn more as well. Even running this site with Sam in Norway feels more like a team-effort than some of the work I used to do in my 9-5 job! And it's much more fun :) ! Just some thoughts. Maybe it's already too late for the western world, but I think it's never too late to look into your own priorities!!

4. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

I think this is a common occurance for those in their twenties. We spend so much time for the first 20 or so years of our lives working towards a single goal (the completion of our education) that we can't help but feel disillusioned with the "real world" when we get out there and discover that life is a bit of a slog.

We look for a thing to replace our big drive, but work (for most of us) can be nothing but a disappointing place to try and define ourselves.

I think as we get older, into our thirties, we start to learn that there are other ways to define ourselves. Some of us choose families, spending our time and energy in propogation of the spiecies (that's a good thing for us humans, though maybe a bit dodgy for the rest of the planet). Some of us, probably the ones here, decide to learn more about the world through travel.

5. Posted by travelover (Respected Member 494 posts) 11y

Maybe that's the problem Greg. That we all expect a lot for our 20s and we see that it's definitely not what we thought it would be. I still think of what I'll do when I "grow up", like I used to when I was 12, and then I have say to myself that I am "grown up"... so what's it all about? For a lot it's the frustrating job. For me (as I've posted before) it's the frustating search for a job. You begin to wonder if you really want to work in your field. You wonder why you didn't do all you wanted to do by this age... You begin to wonder when your life is going to begin and then you realize that this is your life and your wasting it by waiting. That's why I've decided to get up off my a** and do what I want to. I want to travel more so I will!

6. Posted by seramos (Budding Member 9 posts) 11y

Sandra,
I am from Argentina also, around 35 years old and unfortunately I cannot give you an optimistic outlook.I used to think education was the key to savings and a financially balanced life and career. I also complained about the 2 weeks of holidays per year... Apparently that is not true in Argentina. So later on in your life you may find out that holidays won't exist because you won-t have a steady job (permanent high unemployment level, specially for those with more education).... so you might cherish those moments when you had that hectic life of yours.

For the rest of you, who live outside Argentina, let me enlarge on this. Job ads in Argentina, unlike other countries, set age limits, gender, etc...
I more or less felt the same way in my late 20s actually. Once you start gaining training and experience and therefore expecting a higher salary in return, there is a point where your salary expectations, age, gender discrimination (all combined) take you off the labour market at a very early age (like myself).
You know I think I was arrogant to think that an educated person would not suffer unemployment... > So please avoid my mistake> enjoy your holidays and try to think of a way not to lose your job at the age of 32. Just take your holidays now, save money and think how to avoid being fired at the age of 32 or else think how to make a living when that happens.

7. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

I have to agree with Greg. You spend so much time studying, working towards that one, big goal. Then, when you get there, it's just not the way you thought it would be. It's like bursting a bubble, somehow - and you can get caught up in those disillusions.

My mother always told me: your 30s are your best years, bacause you'll learn to know yourself and what you want. And it's true - but it's still a lot of work, and it's hard not to let those disillusions get the better of you.

I just read this weekend (Bill Bryson's Made in America) that America (which I took to mean North America - hey, maybe South America, too!) has the least amount of leisure time in the world. We focus on doing more work (and our workweek is steadily growing), and being more productive - and the money we make is spent on goods to make life "easier." But the average worker has something like 10 days of unused vacation time left over every year.

I guess it's up to each of us to figure it out for ourselves, though. Nice to have people to share our concerns, with, though!

8. Posted by abcdf (Full Member 557 posts) 11y

We focus on doing more work (and our workweek is steadily growing), and being more productive - and the money we make is spent on goods to make life "easier." But the average worker has something like 10 days of unused vacation time left over every year.

i have to agree with tway. i live in north america and productivity is crazy. people expect you to work like a dog and love it. it is ridiculus. they wonder why people are going crazy and hate their jobs. they have no life. i am a business major with a concentration in accounting (which i am not really fond of, but that is another story) but you have to work at least 80+ hours a week just to make an impression. people are obsessed here. even when they vacation its like a nonstop race to see and do as much as possible. people just need to relax and stop trying to "keep up with the jonses".

but then again, you just need to find something you love and love to do. huh... im still looking.

9. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

Quoting lovelee

but then again, you just need to find something you love and love to do.

According to Po Bronson's latest book, What Should I Do With My Life: The True Story of People Who Answered The Ultimate Question, it's not so much finding something that you love to do, but rather something that you believe in. Because no matter what you do for work, there are going to be bad days. You will have to deal with politics and people and problems no matter what. That can spoil what you love. But if you believe that what you are doing is important, then you are willing to accept the bad stuff because in the end you know that your day was worth it, because you made the world just that much a better place.

10. Posted by abcdf (Full Member 557 posts) 11y

nice GregW.

But if you believe that what you are doing is important, then you are willing to accept the bad stuff because in the end you know that your day was worth it, because you made the world just that much a better place.

I want to make the world a better place...