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1. Posted by nichuie2 (Budding Member 59 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

Hey all,

Have decided to go to Burning Man this year, it's been on my list of festivals to go to for such a long time now, decided it's finally time to bite the bullet!

Very excited and have decided to fly into Las Vegas, stay there for two days, then drive in an RV from there to the festival, then go from there to San Fran, where the trip will come to an end.

The question I need answered is; does anyone know of a company that rents RVs / Campervans to go one way - i.e. not having to return the campervan to the same place you got it??

Thanks a mill!


2. Posted by foggyidea (Budding Member 19 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

I have seen thier RV's everywherre and in different sizes... not cheap though!!
Good Luck. I've been curious about burningman too....

3. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3573 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

I do not want to rain on your parade, but it is very late in the game to rent anything for Burning Man. I checked several national RV rentals and got several shocks. There is nothing left out of Reno, closest RV rental city. Vegas has a few, but do not allow one way. You would have to bring it back to LV. 2 companies will rent out of the San Francisco area, return it to them. Price was a shocker as well. Figure $4.5K for a 10 day rental, includes mileage, not petrol.

Send me a PM and I will discuss other options to attend Burning Man 09.

4. Posted by richardz (Budding Member 5 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

I have a quick question that just occurred to me.

I heard that the burning man is the only festival in the world where you have to sign a document saying if you die that they can't be held responsible. Is that true, or just a rumour?

Gotta go sometime.

5. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3573 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

Quoting richardz

I have a quick question that just occurred to me. I heard that the burning man is the only festival in the world where you have to sign a document saying if you die that they can't be held responsible. Is that true, or just a rumour? Gotta go sometime.

I checked their website, but did not find that stipulation. Sounds about right after you read their rules for attending.

6. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

CBS's science editor did a piece about the 2007 Burning Man which aired again after 2008's festival (on Sunday Morning with Charles Osgood). I am (almost) positive that a waiver was mentioned as a "requirement" at some point in the piece. But, I have just read the written transcript of the story and there is no comment to the waiver. The written transcript is also shorter than the video piece was.

Given the nature of the festival, activities and desert weather, I'm with Mike, I would think they would have such a document. That is just an opinion and not a fact.

Also, this was an important statement from the BMF site:

Q. What should I bring?
A. Thank you for asking the million-dollar question. Burning Man is an exercise in radical self-sufficiency. You have to bring all you need to survive, and then some. Some people bring only the basics; others bring everything including the kitchen sink.

  • Water, food and shelter are imperative — you will be asked to turn around at the gate if gate personnel believe you cannot meet your basic survival needs. Carefully read the Survival Guide, and prepare accordingly.

The list is longer but being turned away because of unpreparedness at the gate, after spending that much for tickets, would be a shame.

Enjoy Burning Man! I'd love to attend some year.

7. Posted by nichuie2 (Budding Member 59 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

Hey guys, well have managed to get an RV for $1k all up, 9 day's rental which is pretty sweet. Not one way though, so am just gonna go back to Vegas and do some trips from there to places like the Grand Canyon etc after the festival, instead of going to San Fran. Thanks for your help though. (In fact, does anyone have any cool ways they've heard of of seeing the Grand Canyon - or good places to camp, etc? Or are you just better off doing a day trip or flight from Vegas?

In answer to the question re the disclaimer, yep when you go to purchase your tickets online, you have to sign the disclaimer then - I've copied in that particular part for you - see below:

4. I acknowledge and fully understand that as a participant, I will be engaging in activities that involve risk of serious injury, including permanent disability and death, property loss and severe social and economic losses. These risks include, but are not limited to, those caused by: (a) the actions, inactions or negligence of Burning Man, participants, volunteers, spectators, event officials and organizers; (b) conditions of the premises or equipment used; (c) rules and regulations regarding the activities; (d) temperature; (e) weather; (f) condition of participants; and, (g) vehicular traffic. I further acknowledge and fully understand that there may also be other risks that are not known or foreseeable at this time. I KNOWINGLY AND VOLUNTARILY ASSUME ALL RISK OF PROPERTY LOSS, PERSONAL INJURY, SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH, WHICH MAY OCCUR BY ATTENDING BURNING MAN 2009 AND HEREBY FOREVER RELEASE, DISCHARGE AND HOLD BURNING MAN HARMLESS FROM ANY CLAIM ARISING FROM SUCH RISK, EVEN IF ARISING FROM THE NEGLIGENCE OF BURNING MAN, ITS OFFICERS, DIRECTORS, EMPLOYEES, CONTRACTORS, AGENTS OR REPRESENTATIVES, OR BY THIRD PARTIES, AND I ASSUME FULL RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY FOR MY PARTICIPATION.

5. I, on behalf of myself, my heirs, executors, administrators and assigns, hereby waive, release, discharge, and agree not to sue Burning Man, its officers, directors, members, employees, volunteers, representatives, agents, contractors and sub-contractors, and other participants, sponsoring agencies, sponsors, advertisers and if applicable, owners and lessors of equipment and premises used to conduct the Burning Man, events or activities (collectively the "Releasees"), from any and all claims for damages, injuries, losses, liabilities and expenses which I may have or which may subsequently accrue to me, relating to, resulting from or arising out of my use and/or participation in any programs, events or activities of Burning Man, including any injury or damage to my person or property, or to that of any other person or property.

6. I agree to indemnify, defend and hold the Releasees harmless from and against any and all claims for damages, injuries, losses, liabilities and expenses relating to, resulting from or arising out of my participation in any Burning Man program, event or activity.

7. I consent to have medical treatment that may be deemed advisable in the event of injury, accident and/or illness during any program, event or activity. I release Burning Man and all persons participating in any such medical treatment from all responsibility for any such actions.

8. Posted by Gixer (Budding Member 39 posts) 8y Star this if you like it!

WELL DONE on making the decisio to go to Burning Man, it will change your life! I went for the first time last year and came back a different person. See all my photos and movies here:

I didn't sign anything but when you buy your ticket you are effectively agreeing to all the legal bumf about dying and accidents. Health & Safety regulations DO NOT EXIST in Black Rock City! You can climg stuff and jump off stuff and if you bust yourself up, it's tough. Make sure you go to the Thunderdome and climb up the sides for a great view, but watch the people climbing up further than you as they can drop shoes or bottles of drink!

I hope you have an old bike to use too cos you will be stuffed without one!

Well done for getting an RV this late too, are you sharing with other people to spread the cost? Did you tell them it was for Burning Man as I know a lot of rental companies don't hire to people going to Burning Man because they know that the desert dust can play havoc with the vehicles and they need a thorough and costly valet afterwards. You may not be insured if they hire it to you but have banned it from being taken to Black Rock Desert.

However you really must camp to TRULY experience Burning Man! Embrace the dust :) You've not lived if you've not tried to sleep inside a shaking tent during an 11 hour dust storm that lasts all night :D

How much have you read about the Festival? If you've not downloaded the Survival Guide then DO IT, it's essential!!

  • Take goggles and a scarf or a dust mask, and be warned - your bogies will be dusty and bloody for the whole week, and the week after!

  • Be prepared for little or no sleep all week, due to the campsite noise or just the sheer excitement of being there, plus if there are dust storms at night, it's noisy!

  • Buy a Camelback and drink constantly! Big hat and sunblock!

  • Most importantly, GET UP EARLY in the mornings if you can - sleeping in will mean you will miss so much cool stuff! Last year a hot air balloon landed and I got some beautiful photos. Then one early morning the Flaming Lotus Girls decided to do a morning propane show from their Playa art, and it rocked! The sunrises are GORGEOUS, as are the sunsets (see my pics). The early morning temperature is so fantastic too, refreshingly warm before the burning heat sets in, it's lovely.

  • Go out to the middle of the Playa one night and just sit down and take it all in. The stars above with no light pollution, the sounds of the City that blow towards you then are blown away agin just as quick: snippets of music from art cars, roars from the Thunderdome, the sound of a bike clattering by, the night time breeze in your face, the brief illumination from distant propane. I still recall one night sitting in darkness for over an hour, just drinking it all in with a stupid fat grin on my face. Drugs are not needed at this event, you get a massive high from just being there!!

  • On the night the Man burns, get there EARLY and get a good place because it's the show of the year! 20 minutes of fantastic fireworks and MASSIVE explosions! Last year there was a raging dsust storm and the Burn nearly got cancelled but people still went out there in the storm to get a good spot at the perimeter. You don't want some tall guy standing in front of you for this show!

  • Don't miss the Sunday Temple Burn - 40,000 people and absolute silence as it burns - awesome......

  • Lastly but certainly not least, spend at least half a day at the Temple, just sit down and people watch. Take it in. I can't describe what it's like, you have to just do it. Walk around and read all the writings on the walls. Write something yourself. Read the amazing stories of love, loss, heartbreak, hope, anger....I still well up now just thinking about it. It's such an amazing place that give you hope for the future of the human race. Watch the people milling around writing and reading, watch people as they say goodbye to a memory or a person, see the emotions on their faces. I spent 3 hours just sitting taking it all in one day, and I swear I left that temple a different person inside.

I'm not going this year as I went to Mexico instead but I'm DEFINITELY going again in 2010 and I can't wait!!!

Please make sure that the RV rental company are aware you are going to BM as if you go there uninsured and something happens, or if you don't manage to clean every speck of dust out of it before you return it, you could face a huge bill. The Playa dunst is like talcum powder and it sticks to every crevice imaginable. If there are any girls going with you, tell them to use leave-in conditioner, it saved my long hair from being totally ruined by the alkaline dust! Take a big bottle of moisturiser too as the dust shrivels your skin like nothing on earth.

ENJOY! I'm jealous!!!! This really is an event that ANYONE who thinks themselves a free spirit (and who can hack desert life) shoudl do!

[ Edit: Edited on 13-Jul-2009, at 03:18 by Gixer ]