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1. Posted by superdoo (Budding Member 5 posts) 6y

Here is my situation:

I am a US citizen (college student) with a US Passport. I am going to visit Croatia (staying with a friend) for 80 days or so, just shy of the 90-day limit. Unless I'm mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong), I do not need a visa for this stay. But what if I want to stay in Germany for about 30 days before my visit to Croatia? That makes my entire European trip around 110 days... but since Croatia isn't a Schengen area, does it matter? Also, once I am in Croatia, I plan to make smaller travels to France, back to Germany, England, Ireland, Austria, etc.

So, essentially, 3 questions:
1) Do I need a visa to visit Croatia for 80 days?
2) Can I visit Germany for 30 days, and then stay in Croatia for 80 days without penalty or any other stipulations?
3) Once I am in Croatia, is there going to be any problems with me visiting other European countries for a few days or so?

Thanks in advance.

2. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

1) According to a quick search on google - no.
2) Yes, no problems.

You'd only have a problem if Croatia was in Schengen. But currently Croatia is neither in Schengen nor the EU.

That makes my entire European trip around 110 days... but since Croatia isn't a Schengen area, does it matter?

It doesn't matter. It is 90 days inside Schengen max, not 90 days inside Europe max.

3) No, not to my knowledge. You just should make sure that it doesn't start to look like you are trying to make visa-runs.

Also, once I am in Croatia, I plan to make smaller travels to France, back to Germany, England, Ireland, Austria, etc.

All those days in France, Germany, Austria and other Schengen countries will count towards your "90 days in a 180 day period" Schengen allowance.

3. Posted by superdoo (Budding Member 5 posts) 6y

Thank you for the information! I have another question though.

What do you mean by visa runs? Because my passport will be stamped when I enter Germany, then it will be stamped a month later when I enter Croatia, and then stamped again when I enter the EU again, whether it be through Italy or somewhere else, and whether it be on plane or train or whatnot. So they should know what country I'm in, and that I'm not violating any of the Schengen or visa rules... right?

Thanks again.

4. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

"Other" European countries include for me those countries who are inside Schengen as well as outside.

Some countries have different visa rules from Schengen. If you are crossing the border regularly it can look as if you are trying to extend a visa-free stay by leaving for 1 day and coming back, trying to get another visa-free period.

Of course, this method does not work in Schengen - but it works in some other countries in Europe.

5. Posted by superdoo (Budding Member 5 posts) 6y

I shouldn't have a problem then... I'll be in Germany for a month, then in Croatia for about 1.5 months, then back through the Schengen areas for some more travelling...

So what I was told was that once you enter the Schengen area (say I entered in Italy), you don't need to have your passport stamped between countries? So if I took a train or a car from Italy to France, I wouldn't need to have my passport stamped?

6. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

So what I was told was that once you enter the Schengen area (say I entered in Italy), you don't need to have your passport stamped between countries? So if I took a train or a car from Italy to France, I wouldn't need to have my passport stamped?

No, you won't get your passport stamped. That is the whole idea of the Schengen area. Visa-free travel within the Schengen states means that you pass the Schengen Area border and get stamped into the Schengen Area. You do not get stamped at the borders within the Schengen area.

It is similar to entering the USA or Canada. You get stamped upon entering the border to Canada or the USA, but you do not get stamped when you cross the borders of the provinces or individual states.

7. Posted by superdoo (Budding Member 5 posts) 6y

Many thanks... and one last question just to be safe: when I leave Germany after 30 days and enter Croatia, they will probably ask how long I am staying in Croatia. I will tell them the exact number of days, probably around 70 or 80... is it going to matter that I spent 30 days in Germany? They're not going to say like, "oh, you spent 30 days in Germany, so you can only spend 60 here, to equal 90." I know this is kind of a stupid question, but I just want to be sure before I spend a large sum of money on plane tickets and such...

Thanks again,
Andrew

8. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

I will tell them the exact number of days, probably around 70 or 80... is it going to matter that I spent 30 days in Germany?

No, just like it doesn't matter if you have been to the UK for 30 days before you go to Thailand.

Croatia just happens to be on the same continent as the Schengen Area.

BTW, I would not tell them that you plan to spent 70 or 80 days. Be as monosyllabic as possible. "A bit longer than a month, got friends and family here." would be a good answer - you are not lying, yet nobody will suspect you of being anything but an ordinary tourist.

I know this is kind of a stupid question

I am not going to comment on that.

[ Edit: Edited on 17-Jan-2010, at 18:37 by t_maia ]

9. Posted by superdoo (Budding Member 5 posts) 6y

Quoting t_maia

I will tell them the exact number of days, probably around 70 or 80... is it going to matter that I spent 30 days in Germany?

BTW, I would not tell them that you plan to spent 70 or 80 days. Be as monosyllabic as possible. "A bit longer than a month, got friends and family here." would be a good answer - you are not lying, yet nobody will suspect you of being anything but an ordinary tourist.

Any specific reason as to why? How tight are these people? When I entered Germany last year, I wasn't even questioned... the guy at the booth just looked at me, said "hello," stamped my passport, smiled, and I moved on.

Also, do I need proof of financial resources or proof of residence from the person that I am staying with?

[ Edit: Edited on 19-Jan-2010, at 21:44 by superdoo ]