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21. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Thanks for the suggestion. Based on you that, I will have to sacrifice Ephesus. Which place is better to visit between Ephesus and Berlin? Any other places on my plan worth sacrificing other than these two?

22. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

I've not been to Ephesus so I can't make any fair remarks and tell. Besides, what is it that YOU want to do? We can throw suggestions all day, but at the end of it, it's down to your interests and what you prefer.

As travellers, we all have our favourites. Not everyone enjoy any one city the same way. E.g. I think London has some pretty awesome stuff, but I wouldn't be rushing to go back there. On the other hand, places like Paris and Rome, I'll keep going back time and time again.

Then again, it's fun to discover new places and not keep on going to the same place over and over. You just need to be conscious not to pack too much in, or you'll end up basically seeing the exterior of a monument, then have to move on, because the clock is ticking. That kind of travelling is stressful and tiring.

23. Posted by Adri204 (Budding Member 82 posts) 6y

Quoting lil_lil

I've not been to Ephesus so I can't make any fair remarks and tell. Besides, what is it that YOU want to do? We can throw suggestions all day, but at the end of it, it's down to your interests and what you prefer.

As travellers, we all have our favourites. Not everyone enjoy any one city the same way. E.g. I think London has some pretty awesome stuff, but I wouldn't be rushing to go back there. On the other hand, places like Paris and Rome, I'll keep going back time and time again.

Then again, it's fun to discover new places and not keep on going to the same place over and over. You just need to be conscious not to pack too much in, or you'll end up basically seeing the exterior of a monument, then have to move on, because the clock is ticking. That kind of travelling is stressful and tiring.

I so agree with not packing to Much in, its better to take it all slow and easy and see more then rush to miss somthing,

Adri :)

24. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Thank you for the suggestions. I do agree but since it is my first time to Europe and I don't think I will have any chance to have such a long holiday in future, I plan to visit as many places as possible. I refer mostly to Lonely Planet's Western Europe for recommendations and I will rethink my plans and post it here later.

25. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

I know, it's very tempting to try to add more places in. Especially considering where you're coming from, every place would seem so close that you kinda go, "ah if I don't go, it seem such a waste since I'm already in the area". ;)

A good general rule - 4-5 days for capital cities, 2-3 days for smaller cities, and small towns can be tackled as daytrips. That makes for comfortable travelling. If you really must squeeze, then 3-4 days for capital cities, 2 days for smaller ones.

The one and only time that I planned a trip of 5 cities in 2 weeks, was for the benefit of my baby brother who was visiting me and tight on holiday time. We went to Paris, Rome, Munich, Vienna and Prague. But there's a caveat - I know Paris very well, Rome pretty well, I've been to Munich before, and I have a friend living in Vienna who was hosting us. So for 4 out of 5 cities, we didn't have to spend any time wondering on where to go and how to get there etc. We know exactly where we were going at all time, so we squeezed each city into 3 days each. My brother conceded, had I not been familiar with these places, he wouldn't have got that much done. It was very packed as a schedule went.

26. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Thank you for understanding;) I was quite worried at first because this is my first time travelling alone for such a long period of time in western country. I've been travelling around Japan without any problems so far, maybe because I know Japanese.

I'm always fascinated with Europe's rich history so I'm thinking of ditching Ephesus this time or Turkey as well and concentrate on European cities but I've seen documentaries of Istanbul and I feel I shouldn't miss it. Lonely Planet and guides around the net made more more confused because all the places seem to be interesting. Freedom is the main reason I choose to travel solo but I know it will be hard so I'm happy to listen to suggestions here. Thanks!:)

27. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

Lonely Planet and guides around the net made more more confused because all the places seem to be interesting.

Lol, welcome to Europe!

I've been looking into going to Asia (Vietnam, China, India, etc) for a long time now, but in the end I usually ended going to a destination that is closer. Either another European country or somewhere in the Middle East.

There is just so much to see, it is impossible to see it all. So just go with the flow, see where fate (time/money constrains and gut feeling at the moment of decision) take you. You cannot go too wrong.

I'm always fascinated with Europe's rich history so I'm thinking of ditching Ephesus this time or Turkey as well and concentrate on European cities but I've seen documentaries of Istanbul and I feel I shouldn't miss it.

You know, many people skip Istanbul because they think it is not a "European" city. Curiously, when you are there you find that Istanbul very much is! The whole west coast of Turkey has a much longer European/Greek/Christian tradition than it has the Islam-influenced Turkish tradition. Consequently there is an interesting mix of Islam-influenced Asian and European along the whole west coast. This is especially true for Istanbul, it is what gives the city its great vibe. Turks know they are Europeans, the other countries in the EU have just not realised it yet.

28. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Quoting t_maia

Lonely Planet and guides around the net made more more confused because all the places seem to be interesting.

Lol, welcome to Europe!

I've been looking into going to Asia (Vietnam, China, India, etc) for a long time now, but in the end I usually ended going to a destination that is closer. Either another European country or somewhere in the Middle East.

There is just so much to see, it is impossible to see it all. So just go with the flow, see where fate (time/money constrains and gut feeling at the moment of decision) take you. You cannot go too wrong.

I'm always fascinated with Europe's rich history so I'm thinking of ditching Ephesus this time or Turkey as well and concentrate on European cities but I've seen documentaries of Istanbul and I feel I shouldn't miss it.

You know, many people skip Istanbul because they think it is not a "European" city. Curiously, when you are there you find that Istanbul very much is! The whole west coast of Turkey has a much longer European/Greek/Christian tradition than it has the Islam-influenced Turkish tradition. Consequently there is an interesting mix of Islam-influenced Asian and European along the whole west coast. This is especially true for Istanbul, it is what gives the city its great vibe. Turks know they are Europeans, the other countries in the EU have just not realised it yet.

The only western country I have ever been to is Australia but I have relatives there so travelling around wasn't much a problem. There are lots of Asian immigrants and everyone speaks English so I don't really feel being in a Western country at times. My parents joined a 10 days Turkey tour and they told me it was a great place to visit so I think I will keep at least Istanbul on my schedule. Now I wonder spending 2 to 3 days at big cities like Rome, Berlin and Paris would be enough to experience the the main attractions. Also, is Salzburg worth a day or 2 trip from Munich?

29. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

I believe 2-3 days for major cities would be pushing it a bit too much. You should allow 3-4 if possible. Salzburg is small enough that you can do it as a long day trip.

30. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Here is my revised plan. Please comment if you think I should remove/add some places.

23rd Feb - Reach Frankfurt. Take train to Munich.
24th - Day Trip to Fussen from Munich.
25th - Day Trip to Salzburg
26th - To Berlin
27th to 28th - Berlin
1st March - To Istanbul
2nd to 4th - Istanbul
5th - From Istanbul to Athens
6th to 7th - Athens
8th - From Athens to Rome
9th to 11th - Rome
12th - Rome to Florence
13th to 14th - Florence
15th - Florence to Venice
16th to 17th - Venice
18th - Venice to Paris
19th to 21st - Paris
22nd - Paris to Frankfurt.

I have reduced quite a number of places and concentrate on major cities. I plan to travel with budget flights if the travel time is too long. Please help me to make my journey more memorable:)