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31. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

I don't know what you're trying to do/achieve. You're allocating a full day to travel from Rome to Florence, Florence to Venice etc? And there's a direct night train from Venice to Paris, so there's no need for the day allocation either. Similarly you can take night train from Munich to Berlin if you don't want to spend 5-6 hours during the day to travel the distance.

23rd: Arrive Frankfurt. Train to Munich.
24th: Day trip to Fussen
25th: Day trip to Salzburg
26th: Munich
26th pm: Overnight train to Berlin
27th - 1st: Berlin
2nd: Travel to Istanbul (not sure what your options are or what's avaiable to suit you, so I leave the full day on)
3rd - 5th: Istanbul
6th: Travel to Athens (again, not sure what your options are, so leave the full day on)
7th - 9th: Athens
10th: Travel to Rome
11th - 13th: Rome
13th pm: Late/evening train to Florence (it's about 90 mins by ES*)
14th - 15th: Florence
16th am: Morning train to Venice (it's about 2 hours by ES*, 3 hours by IC)
16th - 17th: Venice
17th pm: Overnight train to Paris
18th - 21st: Paris
22nd - Travel to Frankfurt

32. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

Quoting wyemarn

I plan to travel with budget flights if the travel time is too long. Please help me to make my journey more memorable:)

Not sure what you mean by travel time being too long, as in, how many hours would it be before you consider it too long?

Remember, if you fly with budget airlines, they tend not to fly to the airports closest to the cities, so you'll need to factor in travelling time to the airports (plus transportation costs to the airports). Add on pre-flight required check-in time. Then time for flight. Upon arrival, if you have checked-in luggage, you need to wait for it too. Now to get to the cities from the airports. So what seems like 2 hours flights could end up being a total of 5 hours travelling time, if not more.

The benefits of train is of course, they're from city to city. Once you've paid for the train tickets, that's pretty much your transportation costs, with maybe a very small amount of money to pay for public transport to get from wherever you're staying to the train station, but it's going to cost far far less than transportations to the airports.

If there are options for travel by overnight train, and you're tight on time, you should definitely look into it. You're saving the day time which you can organise to see or do something, instead of staring out train windows at the scenery. Overnight train journey averages about 8 to 10 hours in general. Plus you'll save on accommodation costs for those nights since you'll be sleeping on the trains.

33. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Thank you for your suggestion on night trains. For Munich - Berlin, Istanbul-Athens and Venice - Paris, most probably I will take night train. For Berlin - Istanbul and Anthens - Rome, most probably I will be taking budget flights. I would have to start booking now because cheap fares are taken up fast.

Edit : lil_lil's suggested itineraries sound great to me so I need others opinions. If not, I think I will go with that.:)

I found out that night train on Fri 26th to Berlin is 20 euro more expensive compared to Thursday 24th and Sat 26th. Should I extend/reduce my stay in Munich a day to get the cheap ticket? 20 euro is not much but I would rather use that for something else rather than paying extra for tickets.

[ Edit: Edited on 13-Jan-2010, at 22:08 by wyemarn ]

34. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

For €20 price difference, do you have extra time that you can shift to accommodate that if you want to travel out a day later? To travel a day earlier, when you're returning from Salzburg, that's not making sense. Moreover, if you travel a day later, you'll either eat into the time you have in Berlin, or have to readjust all the subsequent travelling plan.

(Personally, I'd rather spend €20 because a day lost cannot be bought back with €20.)

35. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Quoting lil_lil

For €20 price difference, do you have extra time that you can shift to accommodate that if you want to travel out a day later? To travel a day earlier, when you're returning from Salzburg, that's not making sense. Moreover, if you travel a day later, you'll either eat into the time you have in Berlin, or have to readjust all the subsequent travelling plan.

(Personally, I'd rather spend €20 because a day lost cannot be bought back with €20.)

Thanks for the advice. I haven't really finalized my plans and the only tickets that I have bought are Venice-Paris night train on March 18th night and Paris-Frankfurt noon train. I'm pretty flexible so I don't mind changing my plans if nescessary. I just wonder whether I should spend another day in Munich and travel to Berlin on Saturday night. Maybe I can make a two days trip to Salzburg or round Munich 2 days. To get rid of jetlag, maybe I will rest and spend time around Munich on 24th, to Salzburg on 25th and Fussen on 26th, and the a day again in Munich before departing to Berlin.

36. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

You certainly could. I don't know why up to now you're not really planning to see Munich despite you going to be there? There are plenty to do there to keep you occupied for 2 days.

37. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Quoting lil_lil

You certainly could. I don't know why up to now you're not really planning to see Munich despite you going to be there? There are plenty to do there to keep you occupied for 2 days.

I have another option. There is cheap ICE ticket from Munich to Berlin early morning on Feb 27th. If I take that, I will end up in Berlin by Noon and I can spend half a day there. The total cost for accomodation(youth hostel)+ICE is actually cheaper than the amount I will be paying for night train. Is there anything to enjoy on a morning train ride from Munich to Berlin, for example countryside scenery and etc? Or should I just spend that day in Munich and take the night train on that night. Between Munich and Berlin which city has more things to see?

38. Posted by lil_lil (Travel Guru 462 posts) 6y

I've never taken that train ride before so I can't tell you what the scenery's going to be like. That does sound like a good alternative, but make sure you're able to get from the hostel to the train station without too much trouble nor costing too much (will there be subway/tram/bus running?) at that time of the day.

There are more to do in Berlin than in Munich in general.

39. Posted by wyemarn (Budding Member 29 posts) 6y

Quoting lil_lil

I've never taken that train ride before so I can't tell you what the scenery's going to be like. That does sound like a good alternative, but make sure you're able to get from the hostel to the train station without too much trouble nor costing too much (will there be subway/tram/bus running?) at that time of the day.

There are more to do in Berlin than in Munich in general.

Thanks! I have managed to book the early train to Berlin on 27th Morning. I have one big dilemma here. I will be arriving at Frankfurt Airport on 23rd 1800. By the time I clear security and passport control, it will be around 1930. I wonder whether I should put up a night on Frankfurt and then travel to Munich on the next day or travel straight there and reach Munich at around midnight. I know there is nothing much is Frankfurt but if I travel to Munich on the next day, maybe I can visit Rothenburg a few hours as suggested by t_maia before to Munich. Trips to Fussen and Salzburg can be done on 25th and 26th since I will be in Munich till 27th morning.

40. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 6y

Wow, this forum post is getting like a soapseries. But some good advice/tips

Still, don't make yourself crazy Wyemarn with details,
Try to focus on several places, instead of doing those wirlwind trip to for example Fussen.
And like Lil said: don't let €20 be in the way...take the thing you want if you can afford it.

It's a good thing to use the nighttrains if possible and use budget flights if it's the better thing. Try to avoid to travel too much really.

Have fun though