I'm Gilad Shabtay 23 from Israel.
I've just came back to Israel for vacation from Madrid Spain, where I've been studying circus since September.
The problem is that I went to try out with a student visa, I got in and I just stayed there with the same visa. I've stared the proccess to recive a student visa but I had to be present in Israel to apply officially and wait about two week for the response, but I chose not to do it because I didn't want to lose school time (I already had all the papers in the Spanish embecy in Israel).
On my way back home I had a connection through Germany where they stopped me and banned me from Europe for 10 year.
Any types of idea and tips are welcome, but my biggest question is:
Can I still apply for my visa student ignoring the ban I have from the Germans? and will it cancel (or for the least help cancel) the ban?
Thanks a lot!
[ Edit: Edited on 30-Mar-2010, at 02:04 by gilads ]
How did the German authorities ban you from Europe?
I was flying from Madrid to Frankfurt and from there to Israel.
Because I was Leaving Europe through Germany that's where I had passport control and that where they stopped me and banned me for 10 years. I don't have anything in my passport but I recived documents and I'm asuming it's on the European database.
Mmmm. Not really sure that you've been banned from the whole of Europe. Hard to say though without seeing the papers they've given you. You can check to see if you're on any database when you get home though. All you need to do is call the visa department to any country you wish to travel to and they will tell you. They may very well call you in for an interview and not discuss matters over the phone though. I'm sure if you've been put on a database, the papers will state that.
I would check every avenue you can, before applying for any further access to Europe. Otherwise it could cost you the visa fee that you will forfeit and if you upset authorities by wasting their time, things could become even more difficult for you in the future when wishing to travel.
I know exactly what they did.
The bad news: The ban is valid and you can do nothing against it. Moreover: The information that you were banned was entered into the Schengen Information System.
The good news:
The Germans can only enforce the ban in their own country.
You can still apply for a student visa to Spain, but chances that you'll get it approved are not good.
If the Spanish embassy gives you a student visa you can enter Spain without any problems. You should however not even dream of entering Germany. If you do it anyway you can be guaranteed some jail time.
[ Edit: Edited on 11-Apr-2010, at 10:53 by t_maia ]
Thanks a lot for the information!
Right now I'm waiting for a reply on the limitation of ban that I've sent, and it if gets aproved I'll have my problem soled, but the question is:
If I'm still banned and I want to apply for a student visa to Spain, will it be a good idea o mention that I was banned by German authorities o leave that one out and hope for the best?
...If I'm still banned and I want to apply for a student visa to Spain, will it be a good idea o mention that I was banned by German authorities o leave that one out and hope for the best?
Hi Gilad. Unless you're aiming to be the Harry Houdini of the Schengen system, I'd just take the lesson and hand it all over in your Spanish application. No bending the truth. Just an honest explanation.
Good luck with it.
[ Edit: Edited on 12-Apr-2010, at 02:40 by fabyomama ]
Right now I'm waiting for a reply on the limitation of ban that I've sent, and it if gets aproved I'll have my problem soled
The ban is already limited to 10 years, normally it is life-long.
Shorter limitations are only given if you have relatives in Germany, usually a child that you pay child support to. A child has a right to hir father or mother so the ban may be lifted after 3 years in such cases.