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11. Posted by mpprh (Full Member 114 posts) 6y

Quoting AdamRush

the most i will be in one country is 45 days..... and i still live at home. will i still need one of these visa's? will i be able to get one?

The answers are :

will i still need one of these visa's? - Yes
will i be able to get one? - probably not !

Read all about these visas here : http://the-languedoc-page.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4207

Not all is lost however.

Time spent outside these countries -

Austria
Belgium
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Netherlands
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland

doesn't count.

So, think about UK, Ireland, Morocco, Gibraltar, Andorra, Turkey, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon and some of the former Eastern block. Some more research needed !

As for winter sun ...............
Nowhere nearby is really hot in Jan / Feb, but the most visited nearby places to Europe are :

Canary Islands
Madeira
Sinai (Egypt)
Eilat (Israel)
Aquaba (Jordan)
Cyprus
Malta
South Spain
Morocco
Tunisia
Algeria
Libya

Check out Ryanair and Easyjet for some very low winter prices (be flexible on dates) to these places.

There are often some very cheap longer distance flights in winter. Check UK newspapers for deals to Kenya, Gambia, India, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia, etc. Check Air Asia for low cost flights centred on Malaysia.

Many of these places are not only hot and low cost but, perhaps importantly, are outside Schengen.

I live in South France 20km from the Med. We've had snow several times this year !

Peter

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2010, at 10:01 by mpprh ]

12. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

the most i will be in one country is 45 days..... and i still live at home. will i still need one of these visa's? will i be able to get one?

Yes, you need a visa. Because it is 90 days max for the whole Schengen Area, not per country.

Schengen Area consists of Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. This picture might make it more clear, everything that is blue is the Schengen Area.

There are two ways around the "90 days in a 180 day period" rule.

1) You can do what mpprh suggested and hop in an out of the Schengen Area. As long as you spend most of your time outside the Schengen area you will be fine. Make sure it is no more than 90 days in a 180 day period. Calculating time in and out of Schengen can be complicated, but it is doable.

2) You can apply for a residency permit. For a Canadian who still lives at home the most sensible option would be a Working Holiday Visa for one of the Schengen States.

A list of countries Canadians can get Working Holiday Visa or similar visa to:
http://anyworkanywhere.com/whvcacit.html

You can also get a WHV for Germany, it just is not listed there.

http://www.ottawa.diplo.de/Vertretung/ottawa/en/04/Visa/visa__can__Seite.html

BTW, travelling in Europe is very expensive, how are you going to pay for it if you were not planning on getting a WHV? You will be needing approx. 450-550 EUR per week if you travel constantly and stay in hostels and you will still need to watch where your money goes.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2010, at 15:13 by t_maia ]

13. Posted by AdamRush (Budding Member 17 posts) 6y

Quoting t_maia

the most i will be in one country is 45 days..... and i still live at home. will i still need one of these visa's? will i be able to get one?

Yes, you need a visa. Because it is 90 days max for the whole Schengen Area, not per country.

Schengen Area consists of Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland. This picture might make it more clear, everything that is blue is the Schengen Area.

There are two ways around the "90 days in a 180 day period" rule.

1) You can do what mpprh suggested and hop in an out of the Schengen Area. As long as you spend most of your time outside the Schengen area you will be fine. Make sure it is no more than 90 days in a 180 day period. Calculating time in and out of Schengen can be complicated, but it is doable.

2) You can apply for a residency permit. For a Canadian who still lives at home the most sensible option would be a Working Holiday Visa for one of the Schengen States.

A list of countries Canadians can get Working Holiday Visa or similar visa to:
http://anyworkanywhere.com/whvcacit.html

You can also get a WHV for Germany, it just is not listed there.

http://www.ottawa.diplo.de/Vertretung/ottawa/en/04/Visa/visa__can__Seite.html

BTW, travelling in Europe is very expensive, how are you going to pay for it if you were not planning on getting a WHV? You will be needing approx. 450-550 EUR per week if you travel constantly and stay in hostels and you will still need to watch where your money goes.

I'll Be Visiting

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Italy
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Portugal
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
England
Scotland
Russia

Italy For 4 weeks, the rest anywhere from 1 or 3 days, to 7 days.

what if i travel through europe for 90 days, go to i dont know, lets say japan and china for a month, can i then come back for another 90 days?

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2010, at 15:42 by AdamRush ]

14. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

what if i travel through europe for 90 days, go to i dont know, lets say japan and china for a month, can i then come back for another 90 days?

No. To get the 90 days again you need to stay away from the Schengen Area for 91 days.

Also you do not have to spend the 90 days at once.

You can easily spend 10 days in Spain (inside), 3 weeks in Morocco (out), 2 weeks in the UK (out), then 5 weeks in Germany and then 5 weeks in Italy (in), then travel to Croatia (out), ... - all year long, it is not a problem. Only condition is that you do not spend more than 90 days in a 180 day period inside. Or that in other words only 50% of your time is spend inside the Schengen Area.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-May-2010, at 15:55 by t_maia ]

15. Posted by AdamRush (Budding Member 17 posts) 6y

Quoting t_maia

what if i travel through europe for 90 days, go to i dont know, lets say japan and china for a month, can i then come back for another 90 days?

No. To get the 90 days again you need to stay away from the Schengen Area for 91 days.

Also you do not have to spend the 90 days at once.

You can easily spend 10 days in Spain (inside), 3 weeks in Morocco (out), 2 weeks in the UK (out), then 5 weeks in Germany and then 5 weeks in Italy (in), then travel to Croatia (out), ... - all year long, it is not a problem. Only condition is that you do not spend more than 90 days in a 180 day period inside. Or that in other words only 50% of your time is spend inside the Schengen Area.

so how would i travel to all my listed destinations? i will also be going to egypt,new zealand, australia, japan, china, peru and mexico. italy will be 4 weeks

16. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

I suggest you post a more detailed travel plan. Tell us which countries, in which order and how long you plan to be in every country. It doesn't have to be very accurate or detailed, just some general information. You can sum up your stay in other parts of the world to "3 months in South East Asia" or some such, but please be a bit more detailed for your travel plans in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.

17. Posted by AdamRush (Budding Member 17 posts) 6y

Quoting t_maia

I suggest you post a more detailed travel plan. Tell us which countries, in which order and how long you plan to be in every country. It doesn't have to be very accurate or detailed, just some general information. You can sum up your stay in other parts of the world to "3 months in South East Asia" or some such, but please be a bit more detailed for your travel plans in Europe, North Africa and the Middle East.

not in this order, but i will be in

new zeland for 2 weeks, australia for 2 weeks, japan for 3 weeks, china for 2 weeks, mexico for 1 week, peru for 1 week dubai for 1 week,egypt for 1 week, then work my way from the top of europe, to the bottom, in order to avoid cold weather, (italy 4 weeks, spain 3 weeks,greece 2 weeks,portugal 2 weeks and then i will split the 90 days between the rest of europe i want to visit i.e. , then end my trip with a week in LA, a week in NY, and lastly i'll be staying at a resort in dominican for the last 2 weeks of my trip.

Austria
Belgium
Denmark
Finland
France
Germany
Monaco
Netherlands
Norway
Sweden
Switzerland
England
Scotland
Russia

the places i can stay longer in europe, i will... my trip should be about 50 weeks.

and i want to fly west to east, to avoid jet lag right? but my last weeks will be in this order peru, mexico, LA and from,la to dominican, dominican back home to toronto. i want to avoid crappy weather as much as possible and never see winter! LOL. except NY will be my first week, and i'll fly from ny to whever i start my trip. what order do you suggest.. this is ruff btw i just typed it on the spot. lol, thanks alot.

18. Posted by madpoet (Respected Member 413 posts) 6y

Wow! Did you win the lottery? I always wonder how anyone can afford the time and money to travel around the world for a whole year. The flights alone (unless you got a RTW ticket) would cost thousands of dollars. If you don't mind my asking, what is your budget for this trip?

BTW, I am SO jealous! ;)

19. Posted by AdamRush (Budding Member 17 posts) 6y

Quoting madpoet

Wow! Did you win the lottery? I always wonder how anyone can afford the time and money to travel around the world for a whole year. The flights alone (unless you got a RTW ticket) would cost thousands of dollars. If you don't mind my asking, what is your budget for this trip?

BTW, I am SO jealous! ;)

$35,000

i'll only be taking 10 min. 13 max. flights.

20. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

(italy 4 weeks, spain 3 weeks,greece 2 weeks,portugal 2 weeks and then i will split the 90 days between the rest of europe i want to visit i.e.

This is the part that won't work.

After you have been in Italy, Spain, Greece and Portugal for the time you plan to be you will have only around 3 weeks left inside the Schengen area. It just won't be enough time to cover all the countries you listed.

England, Scotland and Russia are not part of the Schengen area, so time spent there does not count. But with only 3 weeks left you cannot see France, Germany, Austria, etc...

You need to change your travel plans for Europe.