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1. Posted by flyingbob (Inactive 842 posts) 6y

Does anyone have any comments on what appears to be a bit of fall-out between The USA and The UK over the BP disaster?
I've plenty to say about it, but before I go upsetting anyone by expressing opinions that might offend - I'd like to know if others have views on this terrible mess.

2. Posted by mojorob (Moderator 1047 posts) 6y

Just this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM

3. Posted by Daawgon (Travel Guru 1993 posts) 6y

Don't believe everything you hear/read/see on the media. I think they need to give poor Obama a break now and then. As for there being a riff between the US and the UK, remember that many Americans own BP stock too. Half of this stuff is invented just so the news wires have some copy for their daily reports. Does anyone have anything else they'd like to blame on Obama?

4. Posted by flyingbob (Inactive 842 posts) 6y

I don't believe or disbelieve much really.
I just heard a reporter on the BBC news this week saying that Obama and his posse were ganging up on the UK, cos all the fisherman were getting angry with him for not taking enough action on this tragedy - which for sure it is.
The reporter was saying something along the lines that pretty much all that's British about BP is the name. All its big bosses are from the USA, the drilling company that found the oil is from the USA, as is the company that built the rig, the people that manage the health and safety rules and regs are also from the USA and so the list goes on.
Then we hear that Obama is angry with the UK. What does that mean? Are all us Brits responsible for this? Is every German responsible for the Holocaust? Is every resident of the USA to answer for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
It's not a case of what I believe or otherwise. Me - along with millions of other Brits heard what Obama said and what the reporter also had to say.
Is the blame being shifted without justification?

5. Posted by Q' (Travel Guru 1987 posts) 6y

Quoting flyingbob

I don't believe or disbelieve much really.
I just heard a reporter on the BBC news this week saying that Obama and his posse were ganging up on the UK, cos all the fisherman were getting angry with him for not taking enough action on this tragedy - which for sure it is.
The reporter was saying something along the lines that pretty much all that's British about BP is the name. All its big bosses are from the USA, the drilling company that found the oil is from the USA, as is the company that built the rig, the people that manage the health and safety rules and regs are also from the USA and so the list goes on.
Then we hear that Obama is angry with the UK. What does that mean? Are all us Brits responsible for this? Is every German responsible for the Holocaust? Is every resident of the USA to answer for Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
It's not a case of what I believe or otherwise. Me - along with millions of other Brits heard what Obama said and what the reporter also had to say.
Is the blame being shifted without justification?

Sounds like the British tabloids trying to make a story when there's really no story. I think people, generally, are educated enough to disassociate the actions of one corporation from policies of a nation eventhough they may share the same name.

It's like saying, because "French Fries" help to make people fat, we should band all food products from France !! Or WWII started because of all those mothers who complained about their children getting "German Measels".

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jun-2010, at 11:44 by Q' ]

6. Posted by flyingbob (Inactive 842 posts) 6y

I give an opinion on UK tabloids - as I never read them. All the reports I saw were on both the BBC and Euronews. Can they both be 100% wrong with all their reporting?
Oh its just a comment - nothing to go overboard about.

7. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 6y

Okay, popping my 2 cents worth in (which won't even allow me to do anything more than look at the gas pump in reality). This really has nothing to do with either country but with the company itself. Or, I should honestly say companies since the rig was not owned nor built by BP. I have no love for oil companies and BP has the worst track record around. I also do not believe BP is being honest about their "clean-up" efforts (no company, regardless of the type of disaster, ever is), nor do I feel that President Obama has "fallen down on the job" with this one. When did it become the President's job to oversee every large company's doings?

If countries (not just companies) are going to go head to head on this one, then let's include South Korea since Hyundai built the equipment and also Switzerland since Transocean owned the rig. When it comes down to the basics, especially at this particular point in time, no one should give a rat's ass who's responsible or who's dropping the ball. What's most important is stopping the flow of oil that WILL eventually hit distant shores. Stop the "leak" and work out the politics later. Our coastline and marshes are f*cked but maybe saving some others would be a good thing. Just a thought...

Guess we'll see what's happening tonight since there will be another Presidential press conference about the situation...

8. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 6y

Gretchen,
Our marshes may be full of oil, but they can be restored. Hopefully. This youtube presentation explains it.

9. Posted by Peter (Admin 5807 posts) 6y

On the bright side, this disaster will change forever the public opinion on drilling in environmentally sensitive areas like Alaska. People just don't seem to care about environmental risks until it's too late.

Now the real question for me is what will it take to make people *really* care about climate change? I think it's clear that nothing will happen until there's a significant disaster in the west that can be directly and clearly attributed to inaction on climate change.

And yeah, blaming Obama? Please. The people who will shift the blame on him are the same ones calling for smaller government.

10. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5596 posts) 6y

Ok, I accidently posted the same youtube link. Annoying that deleting your own post is not possible.

[ Edit: Edited on 16-Jun-2010, at 04:49 by Utrecht ]