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1. Posted by roxanne900 (Budding Member 2 posts) 6y

My husband and I are American citizens currently living in the US. We are planning to spend a year travelling around Europe (starting in April 2011). My husband is a writer / analyst and is self-employed, but he has a regular gig with one US company that provides the bulk of his income. We will have about $10,000 in the bank, and otherwise will live off of his income for the year.

We plan on starting in Italy for a few months and then wandering around. The visa thing is very confusing to me. I don't think we'll be able to get any visa beyond the regular 90 day visitor visa.

We plan to start out in Italy. If we spend 90 days there, can we go to other Schengen visa countries and restart the clock there? Like could we spend 90 days in Italy and then go to Germany for another 90 days? Or would we have to go to Italy for 90 days and then spend 90 days in a non-Schengen country before we can go to another Schengen country for 90 more days?

Thanks so much for helping me clear this up!

Any other advice (visa or non-visa related) is most welcome!

Take care,
Roxanne

2. Posted by coldwarspy (Travel Guru 1108 posts) 6y

You only get 90 days in the Shengen, bets to stay 3 months in Italy then head to Bosnia or Serbia for a while, then keep going in none Shengen countries, Bulgaria, Turkey, Romania, Ukraine. I think you have to wait 6 months before you can re-enter the Shengen.

http://www.axa-schengen.com/en/schengen-countries

3. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

It is 90 days total for all Schengen countries together.

Once you have been inside the Schengen area for 90 days at a stretch you have to leave. At the very earliest you can return 92 days after you left. So you are looking at weaving in and out of the Schengen area - 90 days in, 92 days out, 90 days in, rest of the time outside.

However, if you are both U.S. citizens a possible solution would be to apply for a residency permit in Germany. It is relatively easy to do if you got the cash and it would allow you to spend a lot more time inside the Schengen area.

However if you are more interested in Italy check out www.esteri.it/visti/index_eng.asp. Again you would be looking at applying for a residency permit.

4. Posted by roxanne900 (Budding Member 2 posts) 6y

Thanks so much for the help! I've got it all almost figured out now, except:

We'll be in Italy for 85 days...
Then we're heading to London for 92 days...
And then we're going back to Italy for 90 more days.

My problem is, just a couple of weeks before we are done with our 92 days in London, my husband has to go to a conference for work in Amsterdam. At this point, could we use those 5 days that we still have in the "Schengen bank" cover a quick trip to Amsterdam without messing up our schedule to return to Italy?

:)
Roxanne

5. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4835 posts) 6y

Quoting roxanne900

My problem is, just a couple of weeks before we are done with our 92 days in London, my husband has to go to a conference for work in Amsterdam. At this point, could we use those 5 days that we still have in the "Schengen bank" cover a quick trip to Amsterdam without messing up our schedule to return to Italy?

Unfortunately no. It's "90 days within any period of 181 days", so if you're spending a solid 90 days in Schengen, both the 91 days before and the 91 days after have to be outside Schengen. E.g. sometime during your Italy trip, your husband would need to hop outside of Schengen for as many days as he was in Amsterdam. (Tunisia or Croatia would make sense from a geographical point of view.)

6. Posted by t_maia (Travel Guru 3289 posts) 6y

Quoting Sander

Quoting roxanne900

My problem is, just a couple of weeks before we are done with our 92 days in London, my husband has to go to a conference for work in Amsterdam. At this point, could we use those 5 days that we still have in the "Schengen bank" cover a quick trip to Amsterdam without messing up our schedule to return to Italy?

Unfortunately no. It's "90 days within any period of 181 days", so if you're spending a solid 90 days in Schengen, both the 91 days before and the 91 days after have to be outside Schengen. E.g. sometime during your Italy trip, your husband would need to hop outside of Schengen for as many days as he was in Amsterdam. (Tunisia or Croatia would make sense from a geographical point of view.)

Sander, their first trip to Italy is 85 daĆ½s, so theoretically it is ok.

But in practice it is like this: Since the 180 days are calculated upon entry and exit dates it takes some really careful planning and calculating back and forward. Your husband going to Amsterdam could really mess things up.

I could do the calculations if you pm me your planned entry and exit dates.

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