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1. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 5y

Do we need Roundtrip airfare tickets to enter the following countries,

Thailand and Vietnam

SOUTH KOREA...

or some airlines just want us to buy roundtrip tickets...

Must we always have an EXIT or forwarding tickets to another country.

I want to go to Korea... But I dont ever make plans... I hope they won't require this, forwarding tickets.

China now require people to have roundtrip tickets... Going through travel agencies make the cost for a tourist Visa more expensive...
and then you must booked your accomodations.

2. Posted by sepilokfui (Budding Member 75 posts) 5y

Thailand definitely NO. If the airline is asking you to buy a return, they are cheating you.

Vietnam is NO too as I try 1 way ticket on AirAsia.

But South Korea might want you to do so. The thing is you don't have a land road to exist the country, you can't go North Korea right. So, it is tricky, they could ask for one.

China is NO either, whoever told you is a lie. Many go Yunan province and Tibet but exit through Nepal. When you apply for the VISA, they ask you what is your travel plan. So, you need to roughly tell them the main city you want to travel to and roughly when and where to leave the country.

3. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 5y

They probably require citizens of the "forever developing" countries to have round trip tickets.
Unless you are crossing borders on a tour bus.

What website can I go to if I have such questions:

1. Can I get a Chinese tourist Visa in Seoul?

Coz, I assume its not the same for all countries.

I know someone who went to KL to get a Chinese Visa, but he was told he has to go somewhere else. And once in Thailand, I was told that I have to go home to get a Chinese Visa.

4. Posted by Curt1591 (Respected Member 230 posts) 5y

Thai law requires that you either have a valid renewable visa, or "proof of onward travel". A backpack isn't proof of the latter!

Although Thai immigration doesn't really check, most airlines do. Whether "cheating" you or not, they can, legally, deny you boarding.

5. Posted by sepilokfui (Budding Member 75 posts) 5y

Well, as I said, South Korea is going to be tricky, not a good place to ask for a China VISA, mainly due to the relationship between China and North Korea, North Korea and South Korea.

I never heard anyone been denial a China VISA in KL, unless the applicant has some skeletons in the closet or during the period of 2008 when China was going to have the Olympic Game. Believe it or not, the system here is state of an art in term of tracking.

For Thai law you mentioned, not sure why it applies to "Develop" country" instead of "developing" country like my, I been Thailand 8 times, 7 times flying, 2 times exit land road, never being ask about a return ticket, never been ask anything, they just stamped a visa, there I go where ever I want.
The trick - ask nicely, tell them you are not sure and you need to understand.

6. Posted by Curt1591 (Respected Member 230 posts) 5y

North American airlines are the people that scrutinize the visa status. Thai immigration is half asleep and don't care. They will tally the tab for any screw ups when you leave.

7. Posted by Seany (Respected Member 268 posts) 5y

I had a flight booked from Singapore to the Philipines and was not allowed to check in at the airport due to not having an return ticket booked. Having spent about £65 on the flight I was pissed off I was going to lose my money and still be in Singapore. I left the check in desk and joined another que where somone different was serving. She let me in! I was so relieved and very happy I tried to check in again.

8. Posted by sepilokfui (Budding Member 75 posts) 5y

Seany,

I can be very sure and tell you that it is not a law nor a regulation. If it is, it shall be enforced at the immigration, not by any airline officers!!!
Some individuals just love to enforce their own opinion.

9. Posted by Curt1591 (Respected Member 230 posts) 5y

• Your actual Passport or Travel Document.
(Passport or Travel Document must not expire within 6 months and contain at least ONE completely empty visa page).
• 1 copy of Passport or Travel Document.
(The page(s) shows your photo , name , date and place or birth and the expiration date of passport)
• 1 application form |Download|
(completed and signed by the applicant. Parents can sign for the minor).
• 2 photos
(Passport photo, 2” x 2”, color, front-view, taken within 6 months, and write your name and last name on the back of each photo).
• One copy of U.S. green card or U.S. visa which permits applicant to reside legally in the U.S.
• One copy of airline ticket
(confirmed onward ticket – showing flights into and out of Thailand. Either paper ticket or confirmed e-ticket is acceptable. Itinerary is NOT accepted. If applying for 2 entries, ticket must show 2 entries into Thailand.
• One copy of applicant’s recent bank statement

Source: Thai Royal Consulate

I am simply stating the law, not my opinion.

Laws, in Thailand, are "enforced" at will. "Laws" are also created at will. Thai immigration, at airport arrivals, won't scrutinize it. But, if they choose, they could deny entry or, more likely, impose a "fine".

Dealing with Thai immigration officials, on a very regular basis, one finds that the rules, and the enforcement of them, change with the wind. And, if one asks a dozen different immigration officers the same question, one receives a dozen different answers.

Whether their job, or not, US airlines will scrutinize passports and visas. If leaving from the United States, the odds are quite high that this will be an issue.

[ Edit: Edited on 25-Nov-2010, at 16:06 by Curt1591 ]

10. Posted by Curt1591 (Respected Member 230 posts) 5y

Just an update.

I wanted to get an insight from the greedy, scamming evil airlines. So, I checked with a friend who works for an international carrier.

Here is his response:

Question:

Is it a requirement that the airline check for return/onward tickets?

Answer:

No.. It's not a requirement imposed by the immigration authorities.. BUT... the immigration authorities can AND do impose sharp fines to the carriers for any non-admissible passengers they carry and are turned away..

The reason that airlines check is these reasons:

1) to simply avoid the fines.. which are in the thousands of dollars each.. Airlines usually try to pass along these fines to passengers as well as the cost incurred to repatriate them.. sometimes airlines are successful, other times they are not.

2) to prevent the imposition of an immigration bond. In some cases, a carrier that has too many refusals will be made to put up an all cash immigration bond with the country to insure that they can and will pay for any future fines..

3) to prevent their landings rights from being restricted or withdrawn.. In the most extreme cases a country can simply deny a specific landing rights for failure to comply..

The reason that the airlines LOOK at this stuff in advance at check-in is to avoid the mentioned issues,

BUT it's also it's common that IF the airline can show that they made a "best efforts" to check for documentation before boarding, the immigration authorities will often reduce or waive the fine entirely.

This is common when the passenger presents false/fake/forged paperwork to the airline and the airline doesn't catch it, but immigration does.

So, it's not a statutory requirement that the airline check per se, but the airline does have the responsibility to insure that all the passengers they transport to that country hold all the necessary entry paperwork.. the check they do is to insure that you- the passenger-- can meet these requirements before you get there..

Airlines Contract of Carriage also has explicit language that makes these checks permissible and gives the airline the right to deny you travel without right of recourse for failure to have them.