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61. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 719 posts) 33w Star this if you like it!

Yes, perfectly true. So are the names of your cats and the content of your breakfast yesterday.

62. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 1832 posts) 33w Star this if you like it!

Léa11111

"Just a quick question...
Can the immigration see our previous flights in the country if they find it necesary to check ? Basically I will need to come back to Australia and want to know if they can see when and where I left the country a few months before."

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Never been to AU. For other countries that I have entered every time I hand my passport over to some immigration official they usually look at the pages in my passport too. They can fan through the passport and perhaps linger here and there looking at your other entry and exit stamps.

Some countries are popular for terrorist training or related activities so I kinda like to know where some visitors have been before! Wouldn't you like the border police know if someone is returning after being part of Daesh/ISIS butchering defenseless people in Syria?

Maybe plan on having you other pages LOOKED at too!

(Don't remove any pages from your passport like this idiot who used passport pages for toilet paper!)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3440825/British-tourist-refused-entry-Thailand-ripping-pages-passport-use-toilet-paper-bit-drunk.html

Happy New Year.

63. Posted by OldPro (Inactive 400 posts) 33w Star this if you like it!

Anyone watch the tv show, 'Border Security'? There are/have been Canadian, USA and Australian versions.

If you haven't, it can be worth while watching some to see just how stupid some people can be. Just Google for it and you will find episodes to watch quite easily.

One of the things you will find happens over and over again is that people who are lying or have something to hide, are tripped up when the Officers take a look at their laptops, tablets and cellphones. They have the legal right to do this and if your device is password protected, they have the right to insist you give them the password! Never underestimate the power of Customs & Immigration Officers. In some regards, they have more power than the police.

So they look at someone's Facebook page and lo and behold, they find all kinds of info on there, like a photo of you somewhere you didn't say you'd been to or an e-mail talking about a job in their country that you aren't legally allowed to work in, or a e-mail to a friend saying you are worried about travelling because of your previous criminal conviction, etc. etc.

And yes, if you happen to have a pic of your cat with it's name in the comments or a selfie of the great breakfast you ate yesterday in some restaurant somewhere, they do know that too. They know because YOU told them.

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65. Posted by Gwenna (Budding Member 13 posts) 30w Star this if you like it!

Florida Holiday.........
I am female aged 61, was arrested for GBH aged 14 let off with a good telling off and my father having to collect me - been good ever since.
My husband aged 63 arrested and charged for assault aged 18 suspended sendtance and fine - been good ever since.

My daughter aged 36 arrested for smoking a joint aged 23 - cautioned. (Has an enhanced CRB for job nothing shows up)
Been good ever since.

My son in law has a few minor indescrision's not sure of them but nothing for 13 years.
We have collectively decided to go the Visa route via the Embassy simply because we are too scared to lie! We don't see it as a problem.
Because of this we are in the process of applying for "Police Certificates" which is something you have to take with you we have been open and honest on these forms.

Now........... My question is this
When these certificates come back and it says thatone or more of
us has no record (which could be the case for my husband and I as it was soooo many years ago) could we then apply for an ESTA with a clear conscious ????
And is there any reason we could be rejected at the Embassy if we go through that route??

This was meant to be a holiday of a lifetime with my daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren, three weeks flying 1st all singing and dancing our treat to them before we retire. I want this sorted before I have to pay the balance in March.

66. Posted by Talulah (Budding Member 4 posts) 30w Star this if you like it!

Hi Gwenna
My partner has a record and we too planned to send for the police certificate and if nothing on it go for ESTA cards instead. I'm sure I read somewhere any crimes committed under the age of 18 are not considered. This link maybe useful to help you decide. The detailed guide gives a lot more information about the whole visa/esta process.

http://hub.unlock.org.uk/knowledgebase/travelling-to-the-usa-the-esta-form-and-moral-turpitude/

Hope it helps!

[ Edit: Edited on 15-Jan-2017, at 02:42 by Talulah ]

67. Posted by Gwenna (Budding Member 13 posts) 30w Star this if you like it!

Talulah

Thanks, I have read and re read all that I can find including your suggested article, and the people at the Police Certificate offices have told us that I wasn't a minor! It's all so confusing and I'm not greatly computer savvy so it's all getting a bit too much. Some people have told me I'm making a mountain out of a molehilł and just say NO in the ESTA, but this holiday is so important not to mention the cost. At least if we get a Visa we go with a clear conscience.
I'm bad enough going through customs with too many ciggies it's written all over my face, I'm sure I would be an utter wreck at their border controls.
What did you do in the end????

68. Posted by rudimental (First Time Poster 1 posts) 24w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Gwenna

GBH aged 14

maybe moral turpitude, but as you were under 18 and the amount of time elapsed it should be no issue to get a visa.

Quoting Gwenna

arrested for assault

simple assault isn't moral turpitude, other forms of assault are, and due to the amount of time passed this should be no issue.

Quoting Gwenna

arrested for smoking a joint aged 23 - cautioned

major issue on "Have you ever violated any law related to possessing, using, or distributing illegal drugs?"

Quoting Gwenna

My son in law has a few minor indescrision's not sure of them but nothing for 13 years.

some 'minor' crimes have massive implications, example. fraud, theft (including shoplifting) are moral turpitude.

Quoting Gwenna

When these certificates come back and it says thatone or more of us has no record could we then apply for an ESTA with a clear conscious ????

No, as the crimes were still committed. The certificates should come back 'no live trace', you will then need a PNC (police national computer) check to show the crimes.

Quoting Gwenna

is there any reason we could be rejected at the Embassy if we go through that route??

Yes, the drug issue, and also your son in law may have issues, but we don't know what his crimes were to say for sure.

[ Edit: Edited on 02-Mar-2017, at 01:42 by rudimental ]

69. Posted by magool (First Time Poster 1 posts) 23w Star this if you like it!

hey what if I get deported and get an ugly stamp on my passport - go back to my home country, report passport as lost and apply for a new one, is the an electronic history i.e my deportation on the passport, which is a chipped electronic australian passort??

70. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 719 posts) 23w Star this if you like it!

Quoting magool

hey what if I get deported and get an ugly stamp on my passport - go back to my home country, report passport as lost and apply for a new one, is the an electronic history i.e my deportation on the passport, which is a chipped electronic australian passort??

So you're illegally trying to get around the fact that you've been deported from a country? I'm pretty sure that the chip in your new passport links you to your old passport and the immigration officials at the country you are trying to get into again will have your old passport flagged as belonging to an undesirable. Hence, depending on the law in the country you're trying to enter, at best you'll be sent back home again and the worst case scenario is that they'll have you against the wall wearing a blindfold in front of a firing squad. Do you really think it's worth trying?