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51. Posted by Aman (Full Member 59 posts) 12y

Hello Jacco,

You are a Dutch guy, Welcome to India.......Regarding your inquiry, In Delhi most
budget hotels are in Mainbazar, Paharganj. There is
direct bus from Delhi to Kathmandu, but it is long and
maybe exhausting. Better option is to take flight or
train first to Varanasi or Gorakhpur and then continue
by buses. I don't have experience on landroutes to
Nepal, but flying is safe, convenient and fast. On the
way there is not that much to see maybe. If you haven't
been in India yet, you could visit Haridwar / Rishikesh
and Varanasi before Nepal. The political situation in
Nepal should be followed also before travel.
November/October is the best season to go to Nepal,
but hotels are very expensive that time 15-20$ per
day. One of my friend was in Nepal in off-season(few days ago), and he paid for same
hotels about 2 $. You can even stay with me if you wish in delhi before moving to nepal . You can find all the
important information from Lonely Planet guides and
internet forums like www.indiamike.com Good Luck for your travel plan.
Have a Nice Journey to the Magnificient India & Himalayan Kingdom......Aman

52. Posted by blues (Budding Member 10 posts) 12y

anasmith, now a days its not safe to travel anywhere in the world by urself, especially women. This common sense does not just apply to travelling in India.

53. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 12y

The anasmith post has been deleted, due to its spammy nature. It was merely there to advertise a product

54. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 12y

Hi All,

Regarding the rather argumentative nature of the thread on the previous page, Aman, you were quite right to complain about the language used against you - we don't accept that kind of behaviour on here as it is simply inexcusable to post like that on a forum where you have the opportunity of an intelligent conversation instead. Please everyone, keep the thread on track without levelling personal accusations if you wish to contribute.

Cheers, Peter

p.s. I was rather encouraged by what I read about the latest budget by the new indian governemt - hopefully it is a sign of things to come!!

55. Posted by IMonaghan (Respected Member 431 posts) 12y

Phew,

Just had a chance to read through this thread. I think we should change the name to "India - Motherland of all posts"

Honestly, at the risk of fueling the fire, I'll add in my 2 cents here as I just did in the other post relating to India.

First off, one thing that I would LOVE to see in India is the Indian version of Hollywood. I think it's called Bollywood no? I have to admit that Indian studios turn out some really great films, and some of them have even started making their way into American theaters they are so good, although I was hooked on Indian films from my time in SE Asia.

The reason I did not comment on this thread when it was in it's infancy though is that I had a minor contention with something that Aman said, and I didn't want to be rude, but... still not wanting to be rude I would like to ask you this Aman.

Is it really fair to say India is the oldest civilization in the world. Please don't take this as an attack of any kind. From what I have seen/know of Indian culture I know it dates back into European pre-history, also from what I know of Indian culutre it is exotic, vibrant, and beautiful by "western" standards. It's just that the claim of the oldest civilization should really go to the surving nomadic tribes of Sumaria and Mesopatamia, what is currently the Mid-East and Northern Africa shouldn't it? Again, this is absolutely not an attack, I'd just like to hear India's (read: Your) side of that conversation.

One other thing, which I know is a smallish issue compared to what all of you have been going back and forth about is this... I was absolutely floored by how beautiful Indian women are! . I've never been to India, but I do know many Indian ex-pats in Malaysia and of course there are also a sizeable amount of Indian ex-pats in the USA as well. I know that this has little to do with anything, but I decided to throw that into the mix as well.

Alright, sorry to make this soo long, but I am responding to 53 posts in this thread. I just want to say to Deb, that while I agree with a lot you said about America, I do believe that you were being just a little bit harsh. It is rare that cops in America just gun anyone down, homeless or not. It is true there are "blackout" zones in some American cities where cops don't tend to patrol without proper backup, but as far as the idea that they just go around shooting homeless people.. that is a bit over the top.
One "unofficial" program that police do in my home state is an example of how police try to help homeless people. They will, with their own money, go out and buy alchohol on really really cold nights, they will then give the alchohol they bought to homeless people, wait for them to have a drink or two, and then arrest them for public drinking. I know that this might seem a little bit evil, but it really does save the lives of homeless people by placing them indoors on extremely cold nights. The officers that do this pay for the alchohol out of their own pockets and take a lot of flak from people who say they are violating the rights of the homeless, but they still do it in their best(if not somewhat vain) attempt to help them.

Lastly blues, I was interested in a lot of what you had to say as well, but you really lost me when you were saying that poverty in India is god's punishment for Indian's believing in polytheism (i.e. Hinduism). That seems like an odd stance to take. Not knowing if you're talking from a Christian, Jewish, or Muslim standpoint (which actually all pray to the same god, just in different ways). Is there not any poverty in Afghanistan, Iran, Syria, the USA, Mexico, Central America, Israel, or any other country of any other religious base.

My guess is that it has more to do with overpopulation and a historically weak economy which has limited (until recently) India's ability to participate in foreign trade. I would further continue to guess that the recent modernization of India's educational system which is helping to provide a skilled workforce which is attracting major foreign employers and investors... which if the influx of cash is handled properly will fund further development of the country's infrastructure programs... just might be what the doctor ordered to help reduce the illiteracy and poverty in India... That's just a guess though.

Once again, sorry for dragging on so long... This has been a very interesting thread to read and comment on.

So I'm done, I guess that was more like a nickel than just 2 cents.

Ian

56. Posted by blues (Budding Member 10 posts) 12y

Wow, that was a neat conclusion of all the topics within this thread, Imoghan!! Well i'm sure I came across as very biased and narrow minded. this is something I need to work on. Maybe i'll be a politician someday;)!! Inspite of all these comments about India by our own fellow Indians and myself, I am glad u still have a wonderful opinion about India and Her people. Dont get me wrong, I do love my country and my people, but I want changes so badly that I can get frustrated. But, I would say to you, " come to India , i'm sure u would love it".

57. Posted by Aman (Full Member 59 posts) 12y

Dear Peter and IMonaghan,

Thanks for giving time and writing here on the wall. Sorry for not writing for so long as i was travelling or busy in some other study related stuff . IMonaghan especially you have written an interesting article. I have read many times and i will reply soon. I will be back.

Thanks and Regards................Aman

58. Posted by krf68 (Full Member 14 posts) 12y

Very good post lost world. thank you. i'll go back to india when the untouchables
can move up in the world.

59. Posted by Aman (Full Member 59 posts) 12y

Dear krf68,

So you are quite impressed with the lost world's statistics that so much % of indians are poor, uneducated, untouchables and so on and so forth.

I am writing this message for all those Lover of Statistics and and who believe in number game.

// Start of statistics
"Indians are the wealthiest among all ethnic groups in America, even faring better than the whites and the natives.

There are 3.22 millions of Indians in USA (1.5% of population). YET,

38% of doctors in USA are Indians.

12% scientists in USA are Indians.

36% of NASA scientists are Indians.

34% of Microsoft employees are Indians.

28% of IBM employees are Indians.

17% of INTEL scientists are Indians.

13% of XEROX employees are Indians.

You may know some of the following facts. These facts were recently
published in a German magazine, which deals with WORLD HISTORY FACTS.
" // End of Statistics for statistics lovers

This statistics shows that these indians are very hard working and try to solve problems (and dont always complain). Now the same type of hard working indians are doing the similar thing in india for about last 10-15 years. We are seeing the change...not only change but the
transformation of society, mentallity, education, technology, life style and almost every aspects of life.
I dont know why are you still saying that i will not come to india until untouchables move up in the world. First thing is We dont use this word in india. It is written in our costitution that
all citizens are equal. Still govt. pushed the so called lower class people by giving 20,30 or even 50 % reservation in some cases in education and jobs. So they have moved up and a lot.

They are in IIT's, Computers, Doctors, IAS's and even Prime Minister (H. D. Devegowda) and President of India(Dr. K. R. Naraynan) and so many other fields. If you are really so worried then
you should worry about the still remaining poor people in india and around the globe (if some one is poor then for a non-biased thinker it should not matter from which class he belongs) and dont try to divide peoples by using the word "untouchables" which noone use here even in india. You are trying to take us back to 100 years ago by using this word!

Those people who dont want to see the good things and always complaining about something. These people who always complain are actually the part of the problem. There is a famous proverb that
if you are not part of the solution then you are the part of the problem. Hence we should atleast support the solution indirectly,if we dont solve problems directly.

If we cannt solve the enormous problems of the world then atleast we should support the people (they can be the ordinary citizens of a country, the Govt, the NGO's, the Companies and big organizations, the websites and forums on internet like TP and even a student who is studying) who are trying to solve these problems with their vision, hard work and leadership rather then complaning about them day and night.
If you want to live in water then dont live in a pond rather live in a river with flowing fresh water (and ideas) and you will always feel fresh and Happy. Those people who once struck in the pond of complains will remain there complaining for whole of their life and those who solves
problems will flow like a river and learn and achieve many milestones in their life which are indeed very helpful for himself, his family, his society and all human beings in this universe. -

Thanks and Regards - Aman

60. Posted by krf68 (Full Member 14 posts) 12y

Mate, you need to chill. I spent 2 month in India and had a pretty great time but this isn't the only place i've ever been so don't try and give me a lesson on planet earth. I've been ALL over earth so i CAN have a point of view. First, i think people should travel EVERYWHERE and make up their own mind. I don't have a totally negitive view of india or indians. Everyone should go there without question! But there are four things that will always bring down india on my list of favorite spots. ONE- The caste system IS real! You ARE a bad Hindu if you are in the lowest caste and you want to go to a higher caste. Many people told me this, even a man in the government. Did those 30 people lie to me? I find this to be the biggest human rights violation on earth. TWO-They cut down 99% of the trees in the whole country!!! THREE-no where else on earth have men ever treated my girlfriend with less respect then in India! FOUR- PEOPLE SHIT IN PUBLIC!!!!!!!! NO WHERE ELSE ON EARTH HAVE I EVER BEEN WHERE PEOPLE SHIT ON THE STREET IN FRONT OF YOU AND SAY "GOODMORNING"!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not Papua, not Korea, not Mexico, not Burundi, not anywhere!!!

But really, i'm not bashing India, I'll go back sometime.

Peace and Love,

Kelly

P.S. Got some of my best shots there!