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1. Posted by dbgomes (Respected Member 72 posts) 11y

Has anyone been to see the remains of one of the most evil places on earth?

Is it even possible to go there? IF you have, what did you feel apon entering?

Daniel

2. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

I'm just amazed that a people that were treated so badly can quite happily allow a few million Palestinians to live in refugee camps, on their own land, whilst being subjected to the bulldozing of their houses and the guns of helicopter gunships.

It is certainly a strange world that we live in.

3. Posted by moutallica (Respected Member 122 posts) 11y

It certainly is strange.

I was recently in Israel and i have to say that it is a very sad situation. Neither side is willing to make the first move towards peace because it would put them in a vulnurable position.

4. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 11y

I agree with you James, I can't quite get my head around it.. You would think that people who have gone through hell and more wouldn't ever want to impose such suffering and pain on any other human being. The situation in Palestine is completely appalling.

5. Posted by Kingwindle (Respected Member 301 posts) 11y

Can you see why it will never stop though??
My grandfather who has now passed away owned a chain of successful businesses in palestine, was extremely well off and was ordered to leave his home and everything he had by the British. He left with only 300 pounds. When things like that happen it is going to lead to trouble, as we can see today. Sadly it will never stop as neither side will give up.

6. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

As far as I know, Auschwitz is open to the public as a kind of museum. I know of someone who went back to their native Poland a few years ago and finally visited the site. You can't ever fully understand what someone who was there went through, but I think visiting the site gives people a small idea - and hopefully makes one come away with a little more empathy, kindness, and determination to ensure it doesn't happen again.

But it does happen again, doesn't it? In different ways, in different places. Look at Rwanda, where the world didn't want to intervene. It is a strange world.

7. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 11y

I'm doing a lot of research on the history of clinical trials for work at the moment, so I've had to read a lot about the nazi experiments and the Nuremberg Trial/Nuremberg Code etc....it's been ...enlightening.

Horrific stuff....the scary part is that this all happened not that long ago.....

Ireland did nothing to help at the time which I think it terrible. Anti-semitism was "fashionable" at the time and we were too comfortable in our neutrality to pay any attention ....

8. Posted by applegirl (Full Member 144 posts) 11y

I definitely think it can stop, but the first step always has to be taken by the oppressors, in this case the Israelis.

9. Posted by mtlchica (Respected Member 922 posts) 11y

I have not been to Auschwitz yet, but I do plan to go in the near future. I have been to Dachau, a "labour" camp just outside of Munich, Germany. I use the term "labour" loosely because even though it was not considered an extermination camp, they still killed people there. When it was liberated in 1945, they found between 3,000 and 5,000 bodies in what was known as "Barrick X" - where they kept the gas chamber and crematorium to dispose of the bodies. According to the tour we were on, the Nazi's said they never used the gas chamber.

I will never forget my trip to that camp. I still remember the gate that people saw as they entered the camp. It had the words "Abreit Macht Frei" on them....meaning "Work will set you free." Walking up and down the halls of the prison, and the few barricks that were still standing, well, words can't describe it. It was so sobering. There was a museum set up in what used to be the main building. It had newspaper clippings, tidbits of history and prisoners' personal items on display. They also showed a short film about the camp. It was the only camp that was open for the entire time that Hitler reigned in Germany (1933-1945).

I don't know how to describe the feelings I had when I walked along the grounds. There were moments when I was light-headed, moments when I had to sit and reflect, and moments when I cried. I am not Jewish, nor did I have any family members who went through any of these camps (to the best of my knowledge), but the trip made me feel more compansionate for the human race. It made me want to call my family and friends to tell them that I love them. It made me feel lucky for be able to have the freedom to visit such a place, and then continue on with my life...unlike so many years ago, when people who stopped there stopped there for good.

For any of you out there who are interested in visiting a camp like this, I recommend for you to do so. Do it to better understand what can happen if the evils of this world are given too much power. Do it to understand what may be happening in other parts of the world right now, and either we don't hear about, or just don't have enough time to focus on. But most of all, do it as a memorial to those who went through that horrific time.

K

10. Posted by SkyeLark (Full Member 6 posts) 11y

If you can't make it to Germany or Poland you could visit the Holocaust Museum in Washington DC - we went back in 1998 and it's an incredibly moving experience - not as much as visiting Auschwitz or Dachau I'm sure, but still an impressively moving set up. We should never forget - it's unfortunately a lesson the world's leaders don't seem to be heeding at the moment!