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21. Posted by dougj (Budding Member 32 posts) 11y

I don't like mozilla at all. it sucks for designing. even something as simple as no border doesn't seem to work (or if it does, someone please post the code for it).

I use ie and have no problems. not with spyware, security, and I don't care about text zoom or tabbing.

I see no need to switch.

22. Posted by Peter (Admin 5809 posts) 11y

What do you mean designing sucks in Mozilla, doug? IE is full of CSS bugs that make designing for the net an absolute hell. Their misinterpreted box model interpretation is cause for many very ugly design hacks (and broken designs in other browsers). Mozilla and Gecko browsers are far more standards compliant and as a result much easier to design for.

As for getting rid of a border (not sure what kind of border you mean), the simple CSS rule border:0 has worked for me without fail in Mozilla (and pretty much any other browser including IE).

I don't really mind whether people swap or not (although people should at the very least make sure they aren't using old versions of browsers - for their own safety). People like things differently I suppose. At least for those that aren't aware of alternatives, it's good to see there are other options though. And it's great to see IEs huge market share cut down a notch. If nothing else, maybe it will push Microsoft to innovate with their browser a little. Believe it or not, they were one of the first (if not THE first?) to come out with text zoom in their Mac version of IE (strange that). For some reason, they never bothered adding the (incredibly useful) feature to their flagship Windows browser. This makes life hard for the conscientious designer who wants to choose a font size suitable for any audience - even those with less than perfect eyesight or high res monitors. Oh well, such is life sometimes.

We'll probably see a better version of IE in .. hmm .. 2007 when they (might) deliver their new operating system.

23. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4834 posts) 11y

To be fair to IE, as long as you give your websites an HTML 4.01 STRICT doctype, IE will invoke the standards compliant mode, and actually do the box model correctly.
It still has a ton of boneheaded layout bugs (from stretching strictly sized boxes to encompass their children no matter what, to doubling margins, to...) but most everything has css hacks to work around, and at least with the right doctype, the basics will work right.
That is, of course, as long as you forget about the existence of IE 5.x (But hey, Microsoft itself has begun to do so with the new MSN, so surely us humble web developers can do the same? Pretty please with sugar on top?)

Also, for web developers and power users only: next to Firefox, try the more complete and advanced Mozilla suite: http://www.mozilla.org/products/mozilla1.x/
Not quite as pretty, but utterly powerful in all the little ways to actually make it work the way you want it to. (And otherwise with all the same benefits as Firefox has, as it's the same people developing it.)

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