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1. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 5y

So is this going to be an annual dramatic festival of mourning? I'm just looking at photos at yahoo news, and I think of American reality shows, and all the drama queens it breed. Then I think about the drama queens I met recently in hostels and bars.... I'm not anti American, I meet travellers from California and I like them a lot.

People brought CRAYONS on the site of the waterfalls, and they etch names on papers... You see children with crayons... That doesn't seem very smart, but it is good drama.

I'm just a bit sad, because I feel numb about this glamourized tragedy. I looked at the photos, and I think that this is entertainment for the masses. No, I'm not being political.

2. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 5y

No, you are not being political. Rather you are showing utter disrespect for the thousands who lost their lives and the thousands more who were injured and survived. Many will be living with those scars for the rest of their lives. Since it seems you have forgotten, there weren't just Americans who were in those towers that day and perished.

May you never have to experience the loss of friends, family members or any other loved one from such a catastrophic event. How America choses to memorialize this tragedy is up to us. Even if it simply means a child etching the name of a parent or loved one, who they may have never met, on a piece of paper with a crayon.

As for drama queens and comparing this to reality TV? Your insensitivity never ceases to amaze me. Sorry, but it doesn't get any more real than this and keeping someone's memory alive is neither glamorous nor entertainment for the masses. Don't like what you see - turn the proverbial page. Better yet, just grow up.

I, for one, appreciated the recognition other countries gave to the US and the 10 year anniversary of 9-11 yesterday. Thank you.

3. Posted by vegasmike6 (Travel Guru 3562 posts) 5y

Well said Gretchen. I heard yesterday that people from over 90 countries were killed on 9-11-2001. It was not just Americans killed that day.

I found most of the stories very moving. I still cannot hear about the passengers on Flight 93 w/o crying. Some very difficult decisions were made on that day. Decisions that I hope I never have to make. When you see a photo of a person jumping from the Twin Towers, you know how horrible it must have been on the upper floors. No American who was old enough to understand what happened that day will ever forget 9-11. Or should they. The mindset of those that rejoice in committing suicide so that they can kill 'infidels' has not gone away. Sad, but that is the world we live in.

[ Edit: Edited on 12-Sep-2011, at 09:34 by vegasmike6 ]

4. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 5y

Thank you Mike. Though I honestly didn't know anyone who passed or was injured, I do know one person who was close by and had to flee the chaos quickly. One may not count in some minds but that one counts in mine. I would be a sadder person, even today, had something happened to her as I wouldn't have had the chance to meet her in person in 2010. Beerman has known her since before the attacks.

Maybe it's age, maybe it's sentimentality or just the fact that something happened of this calibre on our own (once-thought-invincible) home ground that keeps us recognizing the date. Throughout time, there are many countries who continue to 'celebrate/memorialize' the loss of countrymen. What makes this event so different? Though these attacks were waged against "Americans", they didn't just kill Americans. The statistics show that 15 Filipino citizens were also part of the casualty list. May not be many but all worthy of acknowledgment just the same. Yesterday, WE acknowledged them. Swept Away, I hope you did the same.

5. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 5y

Are you reacting to what was written or just against the person, you assume they are base on previous threads, you dislike posted years ago? This is not a blog entry, and therefore was posted on the premise that people do not even care who wrote it.

You have made this thread about me with your assumptions and judgement... I said, I felt SAD, because I was felt NUMB, (It has been a decade), and I thought the tragedy is being GLAMOURIZED, it wasn't an idiotic view point, neither was it being insensitive. But telling people to GROW UP and making assumptions about their emotions about this event based on their ASSUMED citizenship is as hateful as the act of making towers crumble.

I did not rejoice at this tragedy, but I am quite sure a lot of people did, and some of them even Americans. But I do not need to label the dead, and especially the living.

6. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 5y

I don't think it's being glamourised at all.

Everyone wishes it didn't happen.

God Bless America (and I mean that)

7. Posted by bex76 (Moderator 3720 posts) 5y

Quoting Swept Away

So is this going to be an annual dramatic festival of mourning? I'm just looking at photos at yahoo news, and I think of American reality shows, and all the drama queens it breed. Then I think about the drama queens I met recently in hostels and bars.... I'm not anti American, I meet travellers from California and I like them a lot.

People brought CRAYONS on the site of the waterfalls, and they etch names on papers... You see children with crayons... That doesn't seem very smart, but it is good drama.

There's no right or wrong way to mourn the death of a loved one - everyone grieves in their own way. So if that means buying crayons and etching names, then fine. No-one should be judged on how they choose to mourn. You will choose your own way to grieve too, when your time comes to face a bereavement, and you will probably hope that no-one chooses to judge you on it.

[ Edit: Edited on 13-Sep-2011, at 00:10 by bex76 ]

8. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 5y

Quoting Swept Away

Are you reacting to what was written or just against the person, you assume they are base on previous threads, you dislike posted years ago? This is not a blog entry, and therefore was posted on the premise that people do not even care who wrote it.

You have made this thread about me with your assumptions and judgement... I said, I felt SAD, because I was felt NUMB, (It has been a decade), and I thought the tragedy is being GLAMOURIZED, it wasn't an idiotic view point, neither was it being insensitive. But telling people to GROW UP and making assumptions about their emotions about this event based on their ASSUMED citizenship is as hateful as the act of making towers crumble.

I did not rejoice at this tragedy, but I am quite sure a lot of people did, and some of them even Americans. But I do not need to label the dead, and especially the living.

Think what you will, but I responded to what was written and how it was written. I would have responded similarly regardless of the original poster. Your previous posting history had nothing to do with it. As for your origin and citizenship - you made that very clear in previous posts and in your profile (until you revised it) so I assumed nothing. I do not see where recognizing one's citizenship is an act of hate equal to an act of massive destruction.

Personally speaking, if you feel sad and numb over the attacks then 2,740 US families, 15 Filipino families, 67 UK families, 10 Australian families and 144 families from other countries thank you.

You also assume I made this thread about you because it was written by you - an assumption that is definitely incorrect. But, you have now been successful in making it all about you. Again, my opinions and judgments would have been pretty much the same no matter who wrote the original post.

Seriously, what makes 9-11 any different than any other remembrances around the world? Recognizing 9-11 as a national 'holiday' is already in the works so expect a lot more 'glamorization' in the coming years. (You've been forewarned...)

9. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 5y

Quoting bex76

Quoting Swept Away

So is this going to be an annual dramatic festival of mourning? I'm just looking at photos at yahoo news, and I think of American reality shows, and all the drama queens it breed. Then I think about the drama queens I met recently in hostels and bars.... I'm not anti American, I meet travellers from California and I like them a lot.

People brought CRAYONS on the site of the waterfalls, and they etch names on papers... You see children with crayons... That doesn't seem very smart, but it is good drama.

There's no right or wrong way to mourn the death of a loved one - everyone grieves in their own way. So if that means buying crayons and etching names, then fine. No-one should be judged on how they choose to mourn. You will choose your own way to grieve too, when your time comes to face a bereavement, and you will probably hope that no-one chooses to judge you on it.

We don't bring food to a library. We shouldn't eat corn dogs and drink soda in POSH and ultra elegant war memorials (But people do). There are things that can be deemed as inappropriate and one need not be political or angry to have that perception. I was just thinking about what Crayons could do to that Granite or is that marble(?) surface. I said it wasn't very smart, but it makes good drama. The photos of children etching the names of dead parents makes good theater. It is a beautiful site, the waterfalls and I'm sure hords of Taiwanese tourists would love to go there for a photo oppourtunity. It has probably been in guide books for years, and now more people would love to be there, including those who REJOICE about this tragedy. And if you do not believe that there are people, including Americans who rejoice at this tragedy, then some people are being very naive.

10. Posted by Swept Away (Travel Guru 1113 posts) 5y

Quoting james

I don't think it's being glamourised at all.

Everyone wishes it didn't happen.

God Bless America (and I mean that)

Tragedy can be glamourized, and historical sites commodified, and that makes a tragedy even more tragic.

It is okay to seek for the silver lining in dark clouds, but if it becomes a way of life, it can get slightly pathetic. We hope that it never happens again, but if it does, are we gonna have another site and another holiday to remember new HEROES and in the process define new villains.

Just wondering dude, what's with the, God Bless America "(and I mean that)". It reminded me of an Isreali traveler, I said "I'll miss you and I mean it." He is ESL so he ask me what does that imply.