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11. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

nothing to do with old russia (semi-feudal country) or N Korea - more about the socio-economic world model after the present set up collapses (nothing is ethernal - slavery lasted some 300 years, feudalism 1000 years).

And there is no 'human nature' (whatever it means) - we are nighter 'good' or 'bad'. We act according to the circumstances/culture we are in - it might be a 'rat race' or tolerance and co-operation.

property-less society will be not ideal - but better than what we have now (society based on possession).

12. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

as to the topic of this thread - if we were not so much pre-occupied with the property our relationships will be much human - open, romantic and honest.

13. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Quoting MASSAGEUK

And there is no 'human nature' (whatever it means) - we are nighter 'good' or 'bad'. We act according to the circumstances/culture we are in - it might be a 'rat race' or tolerance and co-operation.

property-less society will be not ideal - but better than what we have now (society based on possession).

Would you consider yourself to be an idealist or a realist ?

14. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

So long as some people need to lead and other people need a leader, we will never have a "power balanced" society.

Power comes with responsability and lack of power comes with a little more peace of mind. So maybe the ideal society is one where there is no corrupted power, and no one taking advantage of the system. That way, things remain balanced out.

But... good luck!

15. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

I am a principled realist - social system should be based on humanistic values (supporting development of each individual).

Only mindless sheep needs a leader - I am talking about all of us making informed decisions how to run a society for the benefit of the majority.

16. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

All good in theory, however we don't live in a vacuum. To quote Voltaire: "... It's good food NOT fine words that keep me alive..."

17. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

Mindless sheep?

Quite the contrary. The only way we could have a society without power - and thus have no need for a leader - is if we were ALL mindless sheep. The minute one sheep has an opinion that differs from the rest, it's all downhill for equality!

18. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

In the real world, how much are principles (and rhetoric) worth anyhow?

19. Posted by Lion king (Budding Member 14 posts) 11y

They worth as much as you prepared to pay.

20. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

Quoting Wocca

All good in theory, however we don't live in a vacuum. To quote Voltaire: "... It's good food NOT fine words that keep me alive..."

first is theory and consciousness.

economic system based on making profit and not on satisfying human needs is not only unjust - but immensely wastful of human and natural resources.

There is the whole machinery, thousands of professions, surrounding making, controlling and quarding money and property. Nowdays only 10% of human effort is concentrated on a useful production (supplying housing, food, clothing etc).

food won't be produced if it can't be sold for profit - even if people are starving.

there is a book 'free is cheaper' going into details.

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