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Bilateral Visa Waiver Agreements for a Kiwi in Europe

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1. Posted by gracemac (Budding Member, 2 posts) 3 Mar '12 11:54

gracemac has indicated that this thread is about Spain

Hi, I'm a New Zealand passport holder currently travelling Europe and am now looking at flying from Madrid to Marrakech return.

I have been travelling for five months and the way I understood the rules before I left was according to the following links

http://www.safetravel.govt.nz/destinations/europetips.shtml

http://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/new_zealand/eu_travel/visa/index_en.htm

The way I understand is as a New Zealand passport holder I can spend up to 3 months in each of the countries listed in the bilateral visa waiver i.e Spain, The Netherlands, Portugal, France etc, without taking into account the time spent in other countries. Therefore I could spend three months in France, three months in Spain, three months in Portugal and so on. All I need is a small amount of proof saying that I have in fact been in such countries. I have held on to hotel receipts, etc from the countries I have been. This bilateral agreement effectively overrides the 90 day out of 180 day rule.

I entered the Schengen State in The Netherlands and only have my entry stamp (none from crossing borders within the Schengen State)

I have been granted a Tarjeta Sanitaria in Spain and have spent most of my time here as my partner plays rugby here. However, I have still been here less than three months.

I've travelled Spain, France and The Netherlands (all countries that are covered by the bilateral agreement).

When I leave Spain for Morocco would the immigration officials think that I am an overstayer? Will I have trouble either exiting or returning? I'm afraid that the immigration official may be unaware of the Bilateral Agreements between New Zealand and the countries I've been travelling and that because I've spent more than the 90 days in a 180 period in the Schengen State I will be treated as an overstayer.

What do I doooo? HEEELLLP

2. Posted by Dodger (Respected Member, 859 posts) 3 Mar '12 12:48

I don't think anyone here, or on any internet forum, would be able to give accurate legal immigration advice. Your obvious first place to call would be New Zealand Embassy in Spain

3. Posted by gracemac (Budding Member, 2 posts) 3 Mar '12 12:50

Already done that. Have spoken to about four different people and all have given me different advice. Was just thinking maybe a Kiwi here had been in a similar situation.

4. Posted by Dodger (Respected Member, 859 posts) 3 Mar '12 13:00

Quoting gracemac

Already done that. Have spoken to about four different people and all have given me different advice. Was just thinking maybe a Kiwi here had been in a similar situation.

Get the email address's of all 4 of them, and copy them all on an email. Then get them all on the same page to agree to one thing or the other. Then you can print out and take with you.

Even if you found someone on here with a similar experience, it's still going to be hearsay and not worth anything when you try to exit. As you said, chances are you are going to have someone at Immigration that just see's the dates and thinks you've overstayed. Just saying "well this guy on the internet said" isn't going to do anything for you legally.

5. Posted by chris021 (First Time Poster, 1 posts) 13 Jul '12 09:02

Hi Grace, I am currently travelling through Europe (NZ citizen) and am about to encounter exactly the same issue that you raised in your post - Can you tell me whether you had any issues when leaving and returning to Spain? Any advice that you can offer would be great.

Thanks,

Chris

6. Posted by kcerberus (First Time Poster, 1 posts) 17 Oct '12 10:57

Hello there

Just wonder if anyone could advise whether there has been any issue with the border control officers as I´ll be in a similar situation myself very soon.

Thanks for your help!

Regards
Kevin