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31. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Brought up as one of eight children of a Shanghai banker, Harry Wu attended a Jesuit school before enrolling in Beijing College of Geology in the late 1950s.'[sic] I told myself,"You are not Harry Wu. You are a storyteller."'
Wu returned, or tried to return, to China a total of five times. While there, twice in 1991 and once in 1994, Wu documented conditions in prisons and labor camps for Sixty Minutes, and other news programs, and was placed on China’s most wanted list for his exposés. In 1995,on his fifth trip, he was caught. While Wu spent sixty-six days in detention, awaiting news of his fate, a worldwide campaign for his release was launched, including demands that Hillary Clinton boycott the Bejing women’s summit. China released him, and his return to U.S. soil was celebrated across the country.
BTW Chairman Mao Tse Tung died in September 1976. His funeral was held in Tiananmen Square. Mao's remains are currently housed in a granite edifice, within a crystal sarcophagus. -

32. Posted by Zhou (Full Member 126 posts) 11y

To make my stand clearer,I`m not trying to defense a person or show off our culture. I just hope people would consider things with an objective and tolerant attitude.Put things into its background situation, notice its development and see both sides. Considering this, I think MASSAGEUK has his own reasons. Hope you are better informed of the history now.

33. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

The participant's perspective is clouded while the bystanders' views are clear.

34. Posted by ukmassage (Inactive 1052 posts) 11y

Quoting Zhou

That`s an age that people are crazy about heros.As the undoutable icon of that time, Mao is admired as a saint. Even nowadays, Mao and Beijing occupy a very special place in many Chinese hearts. ..well, speaking of this, I have to say it`s very complicated and we cannot and should not generalize in a single book. But it was not everybody forced to do so--no kids like a textbook but they read it, don`t they?

I think your post demonstrates that the chinese society is conservative and that political consciousness in China is still very low.

This hyped up obsession with yet another corrupt politician was part of the state propaganda apparatus to drum up support for their draconian measures to curb the 'unrulled' population.

The differense between the textbook at school and the 'litte red book' is that if you did not want to memorise it you risked being send to the labour camp.

All totalitarian systems do the same.

35. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

You have already expressed your opinion very clearly

36. Posted by cikusang (Respected Member 1361 posts) 11y

Although I am agree with the statement saying that most of the chinese is less conscious of this and that, I feel irritated when reading Massgeuk's post as if a society without much consciousness is not worth to be treasured or visited!!! Just ask yourself: which society in this world is aware of anything happens around this world? Sorry to say if the nation who keep on saying "Democratic" all over the world as if 'that country' is the supermodel of other nations but the president voted by the most economically and technologically outstanding society doesn't seem wise at all! They elected a president who will create controversial around the world; trying to split the unity among Asian & Europe countries and invaded mid-east countries and used "We want democracy" as his secret weapon to conquer a nation, is that intellectual enough? Don't forget he is choosed from the so-called (media) as the most priviledged nation of the world and now, europeans hate him; asians hate him even south america and africans dislike him- the greatest part is he didn't want to sign the agreement of Kyoto - to protect the world and decrease the pollution!!!

God knows what is happening.

"See the world with your limpid eyes and heart, do not judge by the surface and feel the world with love"

I know i am a bit exaggerated but that's the truth I want to say ( if Susan Sontag is still alive, she would say the same thing as I do);

Watch these films - Pelisky as Cosy Dens in english by Czech Republic
and Goodbye!Lenin by Germany;

When I used to become a child...i think around standard 4 in primary school...when my form teacher asked me what is my ambition....i thought and thought for such a long time and I said "Angel". Evryone laughed at me. I told them: An angel can save the world; if i die someday, my power can protect the innocents and return the peacefulness."

I am really sad bcoz many young (very-capitalist) chinese men do not really appreciate the heritage and the language left by the ancesters. (shit! i can feel my tears now);

A father is your father, no matter how harsh he treated you because the fact and the truth is : he is your father.

Take my word, all of you.

A man without root can't travel far. If you do, you have no footprints left along your journey.

Although I live in Malaysia, I love my country and I understand overseas chinese are even confuse of claiming their 'purest root".

NO long mail, have a nice day,

37. Posted by Wocca (Inactive 3745 posts) 11y

Hi Lee

I think MASSAGEUK is on holidays in Thailand at the moment

38. Posted by newguy (Full Member 197 posts) 11y

That explains it..Hope to see him here soon.

39. Posted by mtlgal (Full Member 1179 posts) 11y

Wow, this thread is very interesting. It's a mazing how a few Chinese proverbs can ignite such a heated, and often tangential, debate. I am Chinese. I lived in China in the seventies and eighties as a child. I'm quite ashamed that I don't know some of the proverbs cited here. I left China when I was 11 and my Chinese language remained at grade 5 level, unfortunately! Chinese is a beautiful and ancient language. Use of proverbs is just part of how we express ourselves, it really doesn't have much to do conservatism or social conciousness. MASSAGEUK sounds like a real bigot, but I must side with him (oh boy, I can feel some hearts starting to pound with rage - "How can anyone side with this jerk on anything?!") regarding Mao. He was a freakin' lunatic and he WAS responsible for more deaths than Hitler and Stalin combined. He is NOT the father of modern China, like some people have claimed. He would flip in his grave if he knew the China today. His deeds were not all bad, of course; I especially appreciate how he had given the Chinese women an equal societal status to men. By definition, a dictator is a ruler who is unconstrained by law; I think that describes Mao very fittingly. When I was a child in China, I was brainwashed daily with communist propagenda; communism was my one and only religion. I believed in my young and impressionable mind everything that was fed to me, because I was never presented with the contrary (I later found out that many adults at the time thought the contrary but were just too scared to voice their opinions). When I left China, I was suddenly confronted with what I call "reality". The world I knew growing up in China was totally shattered. I found out, among other things, that the world (especially Taiwan) was not waiting to be "liberated", that Mao was far from a saint, and religions are not just superstitions. I was devastated and traumatized for years! I felt that my whole life had been a lie, a deception, and that I was betrayed by those who I trusted the most. I know that China today is no longer the China I lived in, and that people, even kids, are much more aware of the outside world and opinions. However, information still reaches the masses censored and the facts twisted. The communists are very deft at propagenda and brainwashing, albeit in a less controled environment and with more subtilty. I can see their handiwork whenever my conversations with my cousins remotely touch politics, and I can see it in Wocca and Zhou's posts. I have a love-hate relationship with China - I love the history, the culture, the people... but I can't stand the Chinese communists. Well, here it is, my opinion. I'm bracing myself for hate-mails.

40. Posted by Zhou (Full Member 126 posts) 11y

I am soooooooo bored with the topic! I should not have got involved, talking about those antique things and`s just so tacky.I can`t understand the older generations`thoughts and I don`t wanna know. I don`t care what other people-non-chinese or chinese or chinese who moved to a western country long ago-think about Chinese political consciousness and I really don`t wanna make it clear if Mao is the father of modern China. At least,MASSAGEUK,don`t quote my words again.I`d like to discuss something else that is closer to our real life. God, this is not the topic for people at my age. I`m feeling so absurd.Just forget what I said here!