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1. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 4y

Avoid that new members can add info to the guide the first day!
I noticed several lately that signed in on the same day as contributing spam...of course.

Most members who contribute do so after a while, the ones that contribute immediately usually have spam/promo intentions.

The negative aspects of being so-called 'new member friendly' are larger than the positive ones. Most of them won't come back if they see it's not possible and most of them don't add it automatically either.

2. Posted by Kiwi_Dan (Budding Member 45 posts) 4y

Are you discriminating against the mentally challenged?. These spammers are complete morons. Especially the ones who promote a product yet dont give any details as how to even buy it , or understand half the time what they are writting about as they are so poorly educated.

3. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 4y

Spam is actually quite a lot worse in the blogs compared to the guides, and there is quite a bit that seems at least semi automated. So if we blocked of posting in guides we should also do the same in the blogs to be consistent. But posting a testing post to a blog is hugely popular with first day user, so it would really hurt users. I guess we could only set the block on the guide but that seems rather weird when they can just post the spam in the forums/blogs instead?

4. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 4y

Well, maybe compared to blogs it's nothing, but at least it gives some relief over there. Oh well, was worth a try to keep them from posting over at the guide;)

On a sidenote: can the discussions part in the travelguide just be history? There is some spam sometimes, but very very very few real discussion. Better to discuss them in the travelguide forum page.

Cheers and thanks.

5. Posted by Sander (Moderator 4810 posts) 4y

Maybe an alternative to preventing spammers from posting in the first place would simply be a much more convenient and automated process for wiki moderators to roll back any and all edits by a single (new) member. I imagine a large part of the frustration Utrecht is experiencing would go away if it would take him two clicks or less to undo the damage, rather than having to click through to many pages and revert changes for each article individually. (Note: Making a lot of assumptions here about the current process and spammers indeed targeting more than one page. Please correct me if I'm way off.)

6. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 4y

Quoting Sander

Maybe an alternative to preventing spammers from posting in the first place would simply be a much more convenient and automated process for wiki moderators to roll back any and all edits by a single (new) member. I imagine a large part of the frustration Utrecht is experiencing would go away if it would take him two clicks or less to undo the damage, rather than having to click through to many pages and revert changes for each article individually. (Note: Making a lot of assumptions here about the current process and spammers indeed targeting more than one page. Please correct me if I'm way off.)

No, you are actually pretty right on this Sander. Could be comparable to the notification we have now regarding spam in the forums, although I don't see how this actually would work, as someone has to report it and any member can undo the damage.
Right now it's mostly reverting it back or in case the big spammers add new articles, delete the content first and then delete the article itself, so that the title is also not appearing in any search or the list of articles.

And on a side note: it seems there are quite a few 'genuine' spammers, i.e. they add content in the guide (new article), while it's actually a blog style written article. Had one just last week. Somehow these new members think that the guide is for blogging. Of course, just a few compared to the many bloggers we have, but still...

Thanks
Mike

7. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 4y

Hi Mike,

I tried to slightly minimise badly started new articles by not just redirecting non-existing guides to an edit form like it used to. Now it goes to a page saying it doesn't exist and asking if they want to create it. I would think that would cut down on some of the accidental entries. You're right a lot of them are just new people not "getting it"

I don't really want to block first-time users from editing. After all, they may have signed up to contribute something useful and then.it would be quite a bad experience if we blocked that. A spammer would most likely happily wait a day anyway if they realise that's what's going on. We've seen that kind of behaviour in the blogs where they set up accounts and then come back a few weeks later to post spam.

On the other hand, maybe blocking the posting of links on the first day is an option? That's probably the most likely signal of spam and least likely to be what a regular user is correcting.

8. Posted by Kiwi_Dan (Budding Member 45 posts) 4y

Solution:

Spammers allready spam and then they are deleted or under review from the respected members.
Why dont you just make every first post gets reviewed. There are enough mods and respected members who could approve a first post quickly and its only for a first post.
Surely it would cut the spam down a bit.

You dont need to tell the whole world about it, then spammers will be normal for the first one or two post then turn back to there retarted selves.

Just make all first posts get reviewed, the poster doesnt know it gets reviewed first, if its spam just auto delete there account and ban there IP, and its easy to customize on a forum. Done. Easy.

1. I will come to the forum and there will be no spam.
2. No threads will be under review
3. Same spammers cannot create another user name and come back and irritate me.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-Apr-2012, at 00:29 by Kiwi_Dan ]

9. Posted by Utrecht (Moderator 5595 posts) 4y

Quoting Peter

On the other hand, maybe blocking the posting of links on the first day is an option? That's probably the most likely signal of spam and least likely to be what a regular user is correcting.

I would like that yes. At least in the guide, and maybe even blogs as well because there is a lot of spam over there, if I have to belief Sam on that one;)
Don't know if this is the case or possible (or friendly towards new users) for the forum, but could be an idea over there as well.

Cheers
Mike

10. Posted by Kiwi_Dan (Budding Member 45 posts) 4y

What is blocking the link on first posts going to do?, and half the time there are no links, its just promoting a product, they will just post links on a 2nd 3rd or 4th. Also, what if its a genuine link? Sorry, my idea is better.

[ Edit: Edited on 19-Apr-2012, at 03:01 by Kiwi_Dan ]