Sometimes rational points that are dealing with a complicated issue (that has had zero research applied) can come across as "snarky," ... but when good advice is being given the adult reaction should be to take that common sense under consideration instead of getting defensive and claiming that your plan is now somehow being, "undermined" by an anonymous person with no stake in any of this except a LOT of long distance biking experience.
It's only the Internet. Tranquilo, amigo.
quoted from my first post..
"I have only just scratched the surface of motorbike travel in 2012 in the region;
crossing borders - dangerous roads - and cost, being my biggest concern at this time, any advice would be greatly appreciated."
...also when i say
"i hear telling them you are on a bike trip though is not smart, any advice on border crossings?"
means I must have heard that from someone, and that I'm not sure if its true, and i would like some advice.
yes, obviously you have more experience with it than me, and yes, i have never been through a border crossing with a bike, but i am learning, and yes you are probably right and i appreciate the concern. But this isn't a place for you to come and say things like..
"... I hear telling them you are on a bike trip though is not smart..." that really makes me roll my eyes. Honestly, even with your 2 - 3 hours of research per day you appear to be completely ignorant of the bureaucracy involved..."
with no solution, you merely "undermine" my brief research on the subject, on a thread that is clearly looking for solutions, and not criticism on things that I hardly have knowledge of.
I'd appreciate it if you no longer made comments on my thread CheersT as you have said nothing constructive or helpful except for briefly in your second post.
[ Edit: Edited on 19-Apr-2012, at 18:12 by Belafonte ]
Stop pouting just because I simply pointed out the shockingly obvious situation that you can't smuggle a motorcycle into China and you can't ride invisibly through that country with no paperwork.
Can you not understand how ridiculous it would be to tell Chinese Immigration that you're not on a motorcycle trip... while at the same moment you're sitting on a motorcycle? What part of pointing out that glaring irregularity is "undermining" your trip?
Just because you haven't thought this through and just because you don't want to be reminded that isn't all romance and that it will take some MAJOR planning to pull this off is no reason to get defensive. If however you just want to talk about it on a travel forum - but never actually do it - then by all means, carry on. These forums are full of people like that... talking, but never doing.
the fact is i never said i was going to do any of that. Why does this hypothetical me have no paperwork? And how many times do i have to say I've only just begun planning, It is over 4 months away and I am doing research in fact I'm talking to people right now over email who have been doing it for years, you obviously have some preconceived notions of me for no reason and its rather pathetic, take your pessimistic, pretentious, attitude someplace else.
[ Edit: Edited on 19-Apr-2012, at 18:56 by Belafonte ]
he is just trying to help you out belafonte, just helping you with your research and suggesting things that you may have over looked. i must say i agree with Terry....no need to get defensive just because he is pointing things out to you. if i was in your situation i would welcome all advice in sorting out a plan like yours.
by the way great name.....life aquatic reference?
good luck with it all.
[ Edit: Edited on 20-Apr-2012, at 05:31 by Semafor ]
$1,000 is about the bottom end price for a good secondhand motorbike in Bangkok. Some shops:
Do get it checked out before you travel any distance as it may have a fault on it. I don't know what you are going to do about insurance?
In much of Asia, if you cause an accident which is not serious, you agree a payment to the other party/parties. If you are pulled up by the police/army for something you can ask if there is a fine to pay, but knowing it may be a bribe you do not say it is.
Buy a year's insurance for yourself and make sure you tell them what you are going to do and where you are going as if you do not, it leaves them with a get out clause and they don't pay.
Bangkok is notorious for motorbike accidents with people driving like maniacs and taking wild chances. Because it is very hot, many do not wear protection either so just being thrown off of a bike can result in serious injury, sometimes with people's flesh scraped off of their bone as they slide along the ground.
Get yourself something fairly powerful for when you have to do a bit of mountain climbing. It may be cold in higher regions, or very hot and sticky in some parts of Asia.
As to a partner, try some biker internet sites and biker mags.
these were all great points Cyberia, all to be taken into account, things i will not soon forget...
I really appreciate it, some of this has come up with Simon and Lisa, the two brits who have been traveling by motor bike for 8 years i have been emailing.
like the need for good insurance like you said, i was planning on getting some package deal with Global Nomads which covers just about everything but with a motorbike that just isn't going to cut it i guess, i need some other type of insurances, that cover other things.
Border crossings are a long and tedious process and I've only touched the surface of the best ways of doing it, I'm looking to Simon and Lisa and my friend Matt for most of my planning on that... As i have obviously been looking in the wrong places if you have read this thread at all...
There are so many things to think about and plan for its hard to know where to look let alone begin, as i work 2 jobs, mostly getting up early to do the little research i can before work (and writing these comments on my phone).. and finish my last couple weeks of school I've been putting off more as finals week is coming soon like an impending doom that seems to never come.
I admit my total and undeniable ignorance to to how difficult this is going to be and feel ashamed to have argued such meager points with someone who potentially could have helped me a great deal. But its in the past and his name and the unquestionable fact that i have no idea what I'm doing, will be in the back of my mind throughout... Ive never used forums before this but have to admit I've learned some valuable things here, despite my ego. And would like to apologize formally to Terry for being so immature, if he ever returns to one of my posts which is unlikely haha...
and yes my name is from the Life Aquatic haha.. Rather from the canoe my father gave to me i painted "The Belafonte" on ...
Thanks for manning-up, Belafonte.
Here's something you might enjoy watching... it will either inspire you or it will totally freak you out, but one way or the other it'll get you thinking about some issues...
I was one of the Logistical Coordinators of that documentary... rent the DVD and sit down with a few cold beers and see what you think... remember, Ewan & Charley had a HUGE support team behind them.
Here's one final thought, then I'll shut up...
1.) Unless you're a very experienced motorcyclist and have done long distance touring before then your itinerary is way too ambitious.
2.) You don't have enough money.
That said, anything is possible of course (I know a 74 year old on a scooter circumnavigating South America) but that doesn't mean it makes sense. I appreciate your enthusiasm, but unless you are a waaaaay more experienced motorcyclist than you appear then I stand by my opinion that your plans could be a recipe for disaster.
Here's another option: Google "Vietnam motorcycle rentals." You'll get a zillion hits. There are loads of motorcycle rental places in Vietnam and there are lots of travel blogs detailing people's experiences. Vietnam is crazy, but it is a good place to get your feet wet and most important the rental is affordable. I think at the end of a 3 - 4 week rental/tour you'll either be ready to consider something closer to your original plans, or you'll realize that long distance touring on a budget isn't for you.
Just something else to consider...
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