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1. Posted by gdickson16 (Budding Member, 13 posts) 8 Aug '12 16:53

gdickson16 has indicated that this thread is about Schengen Visa

Information about myself

Citizenship: Canadian
Residence: Canada
Planned Visit: Throughout Europe (Schengen Countries, U.K., Croatia, Bulgaria, Turkey, Morocco)
Planned Time: January 17, 2013 - October 2013

My girlfriend and I are planning an extensive travel throughout the Schengen and the rest of Europe for approximately 9 months in 2013.
It was here, when asking for tips/advice that I was notified of the Schengen zone and that our trip may not be possible.

After extensive research, my mind is more confused than ever with regards to the zone and its restrictions.

I've read on many websites the 90/180 rule that applies, however, I'm not sure exactly how it would work...here are some scenarios of travel we were going to look at...

1. January 17 arrive in U.K.
January 24 arrive in Schengen (180 days = July 23)
Travel 50 days in Schengen, exit
Travel 40 days in U.K.
Travel 20 days in Schengen, exit
Travel 50 days in Croatia/Bulgaria/Turkey
Travel 20 days in Greece
Travel 90 days in Schengen + 10 somewhere in the middle for Morocco (100 total)

That would equal 90 in 180, would we then be free for another 90 days in Schengen and then have to leave for 90...or does this violate a rule

2. January 17 arrive in U.K.
January 24 arrive in Schengen (180 days = July 23)
Travel 50 days in Schengen, exit
Travel 40 days in U.K.
Travel 40 days in Schengen, exit
Travel 50 days in Croatia/Bulgaria/Turkey
Travel 90 days in Schengen + 10 somewhere in the middle for Morocco (100 total)

This would equal 90 in 180, like the above but wondering since there is a gap between the two 90 in 180's if that makes a difference.

3. January 17 arrive in UK
January 24 arrive in Shengen
Travel 90 in Schengen
Travel 90 outside Schengen
Travel 90 inside Schengen + 10 days in the middle for Morocco (100 total)

I assume #3 has no problems, however it does make traveling Europe much more difficult.

.......

Why am I confused...
I've contacted:
Local Foreign Consulates of Schengen countries in Canada = Everyone had a different answer from follow schengen to don't worry you're Canadian

Canadian Embassies in Schengen Nations: Different answers again (Don't worry about it...or...Follow Schengen...or...Get a long stay visa and you're good to travel all of Schengen

Travel Agencies (Contiki Tours and Flight Centre): Neither one had heard of Schengen...

Help!!

Thank you very much,

Graeme.

2. Posted by Sander (Moderator, 4365 posts) 8 Aug '12 23:40

The first scenario doesn't work. It's 90 days in schengen out of any given 180 day period. There's no enddate at which a "first" 180 day period stops and a new one begins, but it's a rolling window, which begins and ends every single day. So with Travel 20 days in Greece + Travel 90 days in Schengen at the end, there'd be a 180 day period in which you'd be in Schengen for 110 days.
Both the 2nd and 3rd scenario look fine. (Although do note that the 90 days are including arrival and departure dates, so you generally need to spend one more dy outside of schengen then many people would normally count.)

3. Posted by gdickson16 (Budding Member, 13 posts) 9 Aug '12 16:04

To me that does not make travel any easier but more complicated having to track the days like that. But none the less we will make it work.

A question though, why do none of these people I've contacted give a concrete straight answer?

Why are all these people, people that should definitely know the exact rules, not have a clue as to what the Schengen is??

I ask because we've looked at busabout for travel around Europe, and their season runs from May-October (6 months) and I called to enquire about their ways around Schengen since they offer a 6 month stay, and they didn't have a clue.

Busabout is connected with Contiki tours.

4. Posted by anamarija (Budding Member, 43 posts) 19 Aug '12 04:14

Theoretically, Croatia should join the EU on July 1st 2013, so that would put that area within the Schengen.
(I say 'theoretically' because there's always a possibility we'll manage to mess it up )

[ Edit: Edited on 19-Aug-2012, at 04:15 by anamarija ]

5. Posted by WomBatt (Full Member, 106 posts) 19 Aug '12 06:39

'Why are all these people, people that should definitely know the exact rules, not have a clue as to what the Schengen is??

I ask because we've looked at busabout for travel around Europe, and their season runs from May-October (6 months) and I called to enquire about their ways around Schengen since they offer a 6 month stay, and they didn't have a clue.'

Perhaps because they are private agencies who are little interested in anything but extracting money from you and not officialdom

6. Posted by gdickson16 (Budding Member, 13 posts) 20 Aug '12 05:49

Quoting anamarija

Theoretically, Croatia should join the EU on July 1st 2013, so that would put that area within the Schengen.
(I say 'theoretically' because there's always a possibility we'll manage to mess it up )

If we were looking at spending a month in Croatia from June 1-July 1, would this then still count as 30 days outside of Schengen?

7. Posted by anamarija (Budding Member, 43 posts) 21 Aug '12 05:58

I guess, since the date of Croatia's entry into EU is July 1, and that's after the period you mention. I'm suggesting you ask about this at the Croatian Embassy or Consulate, but like I've said, we 'should' enter EU on that date -- but you never know what might happen with politics. :(

I'm afraid I don't know much about this visa-related stuff regarding EU since I don't need visas for European countries, sorry.

[ Edit: Edited on 21-Aug-2012, at 05:58 by anamarija ]