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11. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

When faced with decisions like this, I tend to try and use the following guide - do the one that scares you the most. Because that's the one that is most likely to be the most worthwhile. If none of them scare you, or they all scare you equally, then I try and use back up decisioning tool - do the one that you would regret the most not doing.

Given what you have typed, only one of the things is a "once in a lifetime" option. You can (and will) travel later in life, you can (if you chose) get a job, you can (when the time is right) pursue the mid-term opportunities. Only one demands that you act right now.

Of course, the long term travel thing also covers a few of your big dreams. And there is no time like the present to follow your dreams.

I once read an article that suggested the following decision making tool - if you were to die tomorrow, which of your options would you be most disappointed with not pursuing?

Greg

P.S. pass the headhunters on to me! I'll go work in Europe!

12. Posted by newguy (Full Member 197 posts) 11y

Either all of life's opportunities are knocking on you at this moment or you are capable of sniffing out a business idea every other minute. What a lovely dilemma u have there.

I don't know how long u will be away but in my opinion, no one is indispensable and u may see the guaranteed job taken up by someone else by the time u return.

As u put it, u consider your small side-project a once-in-a-lifetime business opportunity so do you really bear to give it up now? The opportunity costs are enormous here. Do consider. Btw, is it very management-intensive? Viable only in the country/region u are in or are you able to string along the project wherever u go? Since u claim it to be a brilliant opportunity, if i were you, i'd definitely go for it. A man is always gonna be judged by his career and nothing is more satisfying than having his own successful business. Nevermind if u will feel less inclined to travel or whatever in future, these are not immediate worries, so heck care. If u gonna travel u gonna travel...

I'm very curious about one thing. Why is it that every proposition - McDonald's including - involves having you to move to a new location? I think u are adverse to the idea of being a cubicle rat, otherwise u wouldnt bother telling us they were deskbound jobs.

Looking at it all over again, perhaps the only issue that requires an immediate action is the two jobs that's offered to u. Afterall the travelling and the business project as well as your guaranteed job are entirely in your control. If you can postpone your own travelling plans, why not settle for one of the two jobs and see how it goes? The job itself means moving to a new place and a new industry. If u realise it's not your cup of tea, then just move on with your own travelling and in the meantime, you should by then be able to see more clearly how your business project is shaping up.

Sometimes i just wonder..can a traveller have it all?

13. Posted by Sam I Am (Admin 5588 posts) 11y

Quoting Jared

I don't know how long u will be away but in my opinion, no one is indispensable and u may see the guaranteed job taken up by someone else by the time u return.

I think the Swedish system is similar to the Norwegian one where you can take time away from work and the employer is legally obliged to keep your position for you until you return. Great for employees, slightly trickier for employers. Same happens here in Norway for pregnancy leave. Women can take 11 or 12 months paid leave and their jobs are waiting when they return

14. Posted by Gelli (Travel Guru 2457 posts) 11y

Cheers all for the vast support. I know i have to make the decision and will do so myself, but very interesting to get views from peopel who don't know me, or only in passing. I think that's often more helpful than from life friends/family. I know i'm extremely lucky to have such options open to me. Must admit to being intrigued by the replies so far. It's a travel board, for all travellers and yet you've virtually all said that the travel can wait. I think that's very interesting!

To follow up a couple of things that have been said:

How soon do you have to make a decision? Maybe fate will give you a sign in the next few days...

Soon... I await fate to hit me with a bus on the way home tonight, and make my next move rehab in a hospital

How much of a risk-taker are you?

To be honest, i don't know really

How strong is your urge to travel right now? Do you feel that it outweighs your career at this time in your life?


The same as it's always been. If i'm in one place for more tahn a few days, i go nuts. Career??? that's a horrible word, and one i don't like to use. It implies i've settled down.

there is nothing to say you won't get head-hunted or be able to pick up a decent career when you finish travelling.

Apart from the "finish travelling" bit, i have to admit that's true. I'm in a small industry, and have some very specialised skills even within that and am already known well enough that i'm unlikely to ever have a problem getting at a job of some description at least.

Upon saying that, this business opportunity of yours, i think you have to decide if you don't put all your efforts into it

That's why i've decide not to try and travel parts at the same time. If i go for it, it has to be an all or nothing basis, otherwise we'll just never know.

I think if you have a love of travel then it stays forever and you don't join the 'pipe and slippers' club.

This is very true. HOWEVER. One thing that makes me wary about that statement is that the love of travel and actually being able to do something about it are two very different things. My parents were both huge travellers and love exploring, but for assorted reasons, since they've been together they barely have, and since i was born, have hardly travelled at all. I know they are happy as they are etc, but that deep down they both regret that neither of them ever accomplished their plans, even ones which were almost upon them when they met. I know my urge will never leave me, but being able to take advantage is another matter.

Again to re-iterate an earlier point if it goes belly-up at least you know you have tried!

Very true!

What would your own business be by the way, anything us TPers would be interested in buying from?

Quite possibly, yes!

I've given up some travelling plans for various reasons this year and while I'll always be yearning to scratch those itchy feet sometimes it's something you just gotta do.

The interesting thing there is that i've already done that. It's well over a year since my previous travel plan was supposed to happen, but i had to make the conscious decision to stay for personal reasons. So i'm already about 18months delayed, and if i do it again, it will be a minimum of another 18months probably, before i can do anything about it.

(i assume yr profile is right and you're 26).

Yes, i turned 26 not long ago. But it was one of the worst days of my life. I have lived constantly on youth/student fares for 10-12 years. And all of a sudden, i have to accept that i'm old. It sounds daft, but it's actually a Huge milestone for me, and much more relevant/important than 18, 21 and probably 30 and 40 will be!

So, ask yourself the question, "which of the choices would you most regret not doing?".

I agree, that's the killer. And the honest answer is i don't know. If i knew, i'd have a gut reaction which says this is the thing, and i don't. It's a new experience for me!

I'd go with the golden arches

I've no idea why, but i'm actually more tempted than i should be

if you were to die tomorrow, which of your options would you be most disappointed with not pursuing?

The blonde girl on the bus this morning, but that's another story!

Having your own business is hard work, exhausting at times,

I think that's actually going to be the decider. The one thing i am certain of is that i have to take a break. Whilst i feel ok, i know i have to do nothing serious for 3months or so at a minimum
- I was an insomniac in my youth, and at one point went to school and had 2 full time jobs. Even now i don't sleep much.
My normal work day tends to be about 14 hours, often longer, and on occassions more than 48hours (if i'm working in diffrent places and travelling as well, it can be several weeks without a break of more than 3 or 4 hours), and it's unusual if i'm not working both days at weekends as well. And it's been like that since i left Uni.
And whilst i feel fine, i know it can't be healthy, and that i need to take a proper break without even thinking about work just to make sure i don't burn out in teh next few years. If we go for it with the business, chances are it will be as bad and i will push harder to make it succed, as i personally would have more to loose.

(health permitting)

A very different question, as my health doesn't always permit everything, and i know of certain problems i'm very likely to have in future which could be a major factor.

do the one that scares you the most

Nothing. (i.e. doing nothing and just being in normal domestic stability with a standard office job) scares me most. And it really, really scares me. But don't think that means i should do it.....?

I'm very curious about one thing. Why is it that every proposition - McDonald's including - involves having you to move to a new location? I think u are adverse to the idea of being a cubicle rat

Absolutely, 100% adverse to it. As for the location thing, I move around. I always have, and i get a sort of opposite to homesickness if i don't move. In maybe 10 years i've never gone longer than maybe 2 months in any one country, and barely 2 weeks in any one location. I'm always going somewhere else.

The opportunity costs are enormous here. Do consider. Btw, is it very management-intensive? Viable only in the country/region u are in or are you able to string along the project wherever u go?

It's not quite that simple, as it's not a solo project, and whilst it is viable in other places, there's certain places/areas we need to start with.

no one is indispensable and u may see the guaranteed job taken up by someone else by the time u return.

Sam's got it in one. Unless they go bankrupt, the job is guarenteed by Swedish law (unless i do something i'm not allowed on my time off, which is very little, or get myself arrested for the wrong thing) or at least a huge payout if it fails.

Sometimes i just wonder..can a traveller have it all?

I'm damned well trying!!!

And that i've just realised is substantially longer than i'd planned it to be. Sorry folks. And cheers for all your words thus far!

15. Posted by GregW (Travel Guru 2635 posts) 11y

Quoting Gelli

if you were to die tomorrow, which of your options would you be most disappointed with not pursuing?

The blonde girl on the bus this morning, but that's another story!

I always see pretty girls on the subway, but have never figured out how to pick up chicks on public transit yet.

Quoting Gelli

Having your own business is hard work, exhausting at times,

My normal work day tends to be about 14 hours, often longer, and on occassions more than 48hours (if i'm working in diffrent places and travelling as well, it can be several weeks without a break of more than 3 or 4 hours), and it's unusual if i'm not working both days at weekends as well.

This is why I will never run my own business. It's 5:15, I am still at work and I am really pee'd off at it.

Quoting Gelli

do the one that scares you the most

Nothing. (i.e. doing nothing and just being in normal domestic stability with a standard office job) scares me most. And it really, really scares me. But don't think that means i should do it.....?

Fine, don't take my advice. Last time I help you.

16. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

OK, first off, are you single? Oh, wait, wait, I'm not...

And second, I much, much, much prefer life after 30 than before it, if that makes you feel any better.

And lastly, getting to the point: Every single option you've listed has its good points and its consequences. Any one of us could say "choose #1" or "choose #2" or "combine #1 with the second part of #2 and then come back early to look into 3 and 4 and, don't worry, cause McDonald's is always hiring". But our answers would all be based on how we feel and what it is that we want at this particular point in our lives.

You've been blessed/lucky/have worked hard for these fantastic opportunities, each unique and interesting and - as I'm sure you've noted - each of which will most probably lead your life into a completely different direction. So I'd say:

1) If you want to be cautious, figure out what you want to accomplish most and balance that out with where you want to be in x years. Then pick what is most likely to lead you there (knowing it could lead you just about anywhere)

2) If you're adventurous: Write each option on a piece of paper, put these in a hat, and pick.

17. Posted by thezenyen (Full Member 88 posts) 11y

hi gelli, Im not sure if this will be helpful, but a simple word of advice-try not to over think it. Dont worry about yrs from now. For me , it helps for me to think, what is the one choice that will leave me with no regrets.

As I read the above over, I realise it may sound simplistic (I am rather the simple sort ) , but I try not to let myself get bogged down by too may considerations, or there'll be the danger I dont move forward at all. Good luck to you!

Yen

18. Posted by samsara_ (Travel Guru 5353 posts) 11y

Quoting thezenyen

I try not to let myself get bogged down by too may considerations, or there'll be the danger I dont move forward at all. Good luck to you!

Yen

I agree 100% with this Yen. It's important to bear the future in mind and not behave recklessly all the time but you can never anticipate what's going to happen. Life has taught me that more often than I like to rememember...

19. Posted by james (Travel Guru 4136 posts) 11y

If the business opportunity is really a once in a lifetime opportunity, then delay the travel.

Travel opportunities come and go; business opportunities, once forgone, often don't return.

Good luck whatever you choose.

James

20. Posted by Isadora (Travel Guru 13926 posts) 11y

Gelli
Mr Isa here...
Knuckle down, accept limited travel for a few years, work your business, make boatloads of money, hire someone to run your business, then travel wherever and whenever you want for as long as you want. The hard work won't kill you (the bus might), you are still only 26, you should, by U.S. standards, have another 51 years of life in you.
You don't know what will happen tomorrow, next week, or next month. Plan for your future financially. When you can't travel, travel in your head. If this project lasts even 5 years, you'll still only be 31. Christ man, make your money now for later.....that's not to say that you shouldn't enjoy all you can now, just that it's easier to do whatever you want with a fat wallet.
The world will be there tomorrow, and next year, and the year after that. Unless you get hit by that bus. Proper doses of calcium will help prevent bus accidents.
If you're comfortable with the type of person you are today, chances are that will continue after this job is done. And you don't sound like the type of person that would pick a mate that would keep you from travelling....likely she (he, it) will grab you by the hand and drag YOU out the door and to the airport.
By the by, do sheep need passports?
Live for today, but plan for tomorrow. But what do I know....I make beer for a living, not money.