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1. Posted by MattXIII (Full Member 272 posts) 11y

I've met a fair few kiwis on my travels..... it's unfathomable to me. I've never been to New Zealand. But it has probably the best people in the world there, some of the tidiest cities, and above all.......the most dramatically, breathtakingly, tear jerking, lump in your throat scenery.

Why do you kiwi's leave?
I....i just can't understand it.

2. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 11y

The problem is that the grass is almost always greener somewhere else. I know, hard to fathom when you're in hobbit land, but hey.

Not that I want to speak for the kiwi's but in Australia people seem to go on a pilgrimage to London, basically because it's the big 'exciting' city. And in all fairness, it is darned hard (read expensive) travelling the world from NZ or Australia - we're just so far away from the rest of the world. So there's also the prospect of being within easy reach of cool places in Europe if you move to London as an example.

Finally, the same is undoubtedly true in NZ as Australia that for some reason people like to see old buildings and marvel at the possibility of a street having been in that place for 1000 years!

But maybe I should let a kiwi who's moved answer more completely.

3. Posted by MattXIII (Full Member 272 posts) 11y

I understand what you mean. I spent about 4 weeks travelling with some kiwi's in Egypt last year. They said just about the same thing. But, heritage is ok, and i suppose in a way the UK is your homeland (sort of ) But, there's loads of culture there, what about the maori's?
Was it something like 70,000 brits a year migrate to NZ?
And all the kiwi's come to London. London's cool and everything, but the noise, traffic, pollution, crime, taxes etc; why does that appeal to someone who has grown up in such a freindly, laid back, stunning country.

I intend on getting some experience for a few years around the world in conservation then spending as much time as possible in NZ, protecting that landscape.

One thing that i don't like about NZ, is you don't have many mammals

4. Posted by Peter (Admin 5789 posts) 11y

Well, actually, I'm not Australian, so the UK is definitely not my homeland, nor do I have any desire to move there. I'm Dutch and just like you struggle to understand why anyone would want to live in cold, wet, busy London (or Holland for that matter) :) Be careful though, it's quite wrong to assume that most Australians have UK heritage. There is a huge population of Greek, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Dutch, etc.. etc. Melbourne supposedly is the second largest Greek city after Athens!! I'm not even sure if half the population in Australia has British roots. There have been estimates that it won't be particularly long before the majority of Australians have Asian heritage. And that's one more thing that makes Australia a great place to live (that's also a nice thing about London mind you).

Also, I didn't say anything about a lack of culture. I tried very carefully not to say it actually, because you're quite right in pointing out the Maori culture. However, it's the tangible things like castles and old cathedrals that are very hard to find in NZ or Australia. There's a distinct lack of cobbled streets and such :)

And in the end, I guess sometimes when you've grown up in a country town / small city, the big smoke can be quite appealing and it actually does offer a whole set of its own rewards; job opportunities for a start.

5. Posted by MattXIII (Full Member 272 posts) 11y

I do love our castles and cathedrals. Apart from our historical relics and my family i think i'd be pretty much complete in NZ tho.

6. Posted by Kelz_NZ (Inactive 22 posts) 11y

Hello, kiwi here, speaking on behalf of myself and my friends only...and having had many live overseas, NZ is rather expensive..only in the fact that, a qualified person gets paid jack all....the kiwi dollar is very weak and youd get get paid a hell of a lot more in the UK for the same job you do in NZ, we get majorly ripped off on the prices we pay for things that are just so cheap over there, and being a student..hahaha forget about it....by the time you graduate your student loan is more than you'll probably ever earn per year, thats if you can even find a job in the field you just studied...taxes on wages, taxes on purchases....even our politicians think we get taxed to much....if you want to go far, you unfortunately have to go far out of NZ
:( :( but yes NZ is beautiful and I just got back from the south island 1hour ago and I LOVE IT and I wanna go back because once again its raining in auckland :P

Anyway that was my little 'personal' rant on NZ's negatives....others may feel completely differently...and others are quite happy with their lifestyles here!
I will always call NZ my home...i love it...but i gotta leave!

7. Posted by MattXIII (Full Member 272 posts) 11y

We get taxed to s**t over here aswell. London's also the most expensive place to be in the UK.

Ah well, when i'm over there working as a Park Ranger i won't need money ........ much

8. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

My sister just came back after 4 years living in NZ - and claims she will NEVER go back. I don't get it, either - it was a beautiful place to visit, with no horrendous winters and beaches galore! But she claims it was very "island"-oriented. That is, turned in on itself.

Anyhow, my dream was to go to London and I couldn't fathom why anyone would ever want to live anywhere else. I send Peter's "the grass is always greener" theory. Even Fijians dream of leaving Fiji, I'm sure!

9. Posted by MattXIII (Full Member 272 posts) 11y

But London's all the things people run away from in life.

Crime, pollution, expense, overcrowding.

What's the attraction?

10. Posted by tway (Travel Guru 7273 posts) 11y

London = the Beatles, Abbey Road, sexy accents, Big Ben, fashion, style, the Underground, Churchill, the Thames, you name it. It was the whole idea of London that was so appealing - the romantic way I'd played it up in my mind.

It was the Beatles that really clinched it for me, though.