Let me just say I appologize if you may have been offendend by my contribution of posts to the thread (since you stated that posts were not "deeply" offensive, I would safely assume that you found them a little displeasing). We are a friendly bunch here on TP, and Peter and Sam have worked very heard at getting the site to the point were people can be comfortable enough to joke around like that. My first comment was said in all seriousness...and I did not imply that I expected you to "dress" Canadian. My second response (about Montreal) was just made because another member who posted here is from Montreal.
Even though I'm Canadian, I've experienced anti-American sentiment in other countries, but not Germany. That is why I did not say anything about that. Good luck on your trip...and keep smiling!
No - I really wasn't offended by the comments. They really are quite mild. I just didn't know where they came from, and they had nothing to do with the topic. The ability to move on to other unrelated topics is not always allowed on forums - most forums that relate to specific topics do not allow for it. As that is the rule here, I certainly understand, but of course there was no way for me to know that when I first posted.
Your reference to Peter suggests that he is a moderator, and I have already been lectured for my lack of civility. I can say that has not generally been an accusation leveled at me, and it seems especially strange considering the general development of the thread. Nevertheless, I have had my questions answered, so there is no reason to continue. So long.
Timothy, I don't think I'm the only one who has found your attitude in this thread offensive. Already, you've driven three people to 'apologise' for extremely innocent comments - clearly due to your reactionary statements.
Since you asked for examples, here goes.
There's no chance I would ever condescend to "pretend" to be a Canadian. The idea is nauseating, so do not be concerned.
Well, since you are not German, the question was obviously not directed at you, was it?
Well, as it was obviously a response to several attempts at sarcastic humor, it is obvous, once again, that you failed to actually READ my posts. Evidently trolls are allowed to wander free here.
Where I'm from, 'civil' conversations don't involve accusing people of being trolls, telling Canadians that their nationality is nauseating and reprimanding people for answering just because they aren't German. Is that civil in your circles?
Unlike the other three members, I won't apologize for telling you off; I think they're the ones who deserve an apology.
But hey, good luck with your trip.
For the record, let me just say that I didn't appologize for what I said...I appologized if there was offense taken by it, which is completely different. LOL, trust me, there were many other things I could have said, but refrained...for the moment anyways....
Kudos to you Peter for pulling out examples.
Timothy, you obviously took offense by most of the posts in this thread because of the harshness of some of your replies.
Good luck in Germany.
I just found this interesting thread and as a German from Mainz, I'd like to put things a bit right about Bush's visit here.
First of all, it was the Secret Service who was responsable for all the restrictions and the closing of the centre of Mainz. All the shops, the schools, the biggest hospital (so it could be used in case of an attack against Bush), the river Rhein and its bridges were closed. The two biggest motorways in the Rhein-Main area were closed, public transport in Mainz stopped while Bush's visit. People living in the centre had to call the police if they wanted to leave their flats. In certain sections of the centre, people even were told not to go on their balconies and to leave their roller blinds closed.
There was a guy who had a sign saying "Not Welcome Mr.Bush!" in his window and as he wasn't at home, the police broke(!) into his apartement to remove it.
I went to the centre when Bush just headed over to Wiesbaden and I have to say that it was kind of an end-of-the-world mood. It was so unnaturally quiet, there were policemen marching like soldiers, nobody knew whether the public transport would restart, it was very weird.
All in all, we had 6000 policemen from all over Germany here for that day. The Police Chief of Mainz said after Bush's visit that he had suggested to let the population see Bush (like a day later in Bratislava where he even shook hands with "ordinaray" people), but Bush's security consultants refused his proposal.
Well, since my original question isn't going to be taken seriously anyway .....
Aw Timothy ... Some people are just so unkind
How could anybody possibly hate America / Americans?
European people mostly don't hate Americans, as long as you don't act like a complete retard you'll be fine. But that's the same with every culture. What a lot of Europeans do hate is your government and how they do their politics. 2 total different things if you ask me. I'm disguisted with they way of American politics too, but I've met some really great Americans in Europe. People that don't understand this and make you feel like a retard are probably not even worth it to meet. Have a good time in Germany dude.
Wow, now all this seems to have become a big problem of communication... anyways:
I once travelled with a canadian girl. One day she told me, that I was just SO german (indeed, my nationality is german) and I was totaly hurt by that, because I saw myself as an individual and couldn't stand the thought of me being like 80.000.000 other people!
But I thought about it, and later I studied intercultural communications and now I understand that she was right, and that I DO behave like most of the other germans, but that is not something in my DNS (or DNA?), but just socialisation.
Why I tell this story is to show, that I can understand that Timothy feels kind of offended, when somebody tells him not to behave like an american, because of cause he doesn't see himself as that identical to all the other americans (and I guess for you, Timothy there is a huge difference between lets say NY and Texas, but for foreigners you still have enough in common to recognise you as american´. And before I got to know some canadians I was never able to differenciate, but now I can't probably understand how to confuse them!).
And even if he did- there is no way to delete your identity and behavior. All you can do is trying to see all the little differences and maybe "play" the role of a german/french....
At the very end I'd like to give your question back, timothy. As I was recently being cursed at by an american in the internet when I told him I was german (he wrote stuff like "nazi"):
Do you think it's risky to go to the usa as a german or french one at the moment (there is NO ironyin that question!)?
Great post Dagel, and very true.
I second what Brendan said - very true Dagel.
As an Irish person I get mistaken for being a binge-drinking, loud-mouthed, simpleton by certain people I meet on my travels. Others welcome me thinking I will be the chattiest, friendliest person they ever met who will be the entertainment for the night.
I dont feel that I'm either of those two people, but people expect one of those two stereotypes when you say you're Irish.
I can understand why Timothy asked the question he did but I think that maybe American feel that they are the only victims of stereotyping. You shouldnt be overly concerned Timothy. Yes, a lot of Europeans would happily send George Bush on a one way trip to some far reaches of the galaxy (myself included) but that isnt to say that people are going to abuse/offend you personally - if you do meet ppl like that well they shouldnt really bother you because they are just ignoramouses (is that a word - maybe they are ignormaousi )
Only people that you can respect/identify with are able to hurt you so give these folk The Look and be on your way.
When I was in Pisa last July I got chatting to an American guy in a bar and we had a very interesting lively discussion about American foreign policy and George's antics at the time. We were both coming from the opposite ends of the argument/discussion but i think we both really enjoyed it. The experiences that you have with other people have less to do with that nationalities relationship with America and more to do with that person's own opinion.
I'm probably not expressing all that very well, but basically I would NOT worry for your safety in Europe whatsoever! My experience of German people is that they are very balanced and are much more helpful and friendly than some other Europeans.
Enjoy your trip Timothy!