To tell you the truth, I very seldom go to TP's forum. I came here, because someone told me that there was a post with a link to my blog post in this forum. So, I went to check out. I couldn't find that link mentioned here, but I saw that 2 posts had been deleted. So... I said "hmmmm".
And I'm sorry I said there's zero chance to be featured if the photo has a watermark. I checked your email to me some years ago, yes you have said the same thing as you are saying now. It was my own misunderstanding and my own conclusion.
I do agree that watermarking a photo ruins the photo itself. That's what my tutors have said also. I myself don't like to see photos with watermarks when it comes to a photo gallery.
Back then when I hadn't been doing photography as serious as now, I debated with a friend about watermark matter. I said to her, doesn't it mean that your work is good that someone wants to use it? However, now I'm like denying my own words. If you can imagine what it takes to be photographer, how much money the equipments cost, how much time it takes to be just good... and on top of that what it took to get that particular shot. Probably one had to walk some kilometers, cross a river... whatsoever. Then here comes someone who just copy the photo by right-clicking and put it somewhere on his website for his own benefit and not notifying the photographer. That, from a photographer's side, hurts.
I didn't mention in previous post about not to be worried because TP only display photos 800px the max and thus it won't appear on magazine or the like. My concern -- and other photographers, I suppose -- has never been about my work on the internet published in a paper magazine. No. Peter, if a photo looks good on TP, it would look good on anybody's website. I am one who has experienced my photo (not from TP) suddenly found somewhere else on the net.
Back to deleted posts matter. Besides that 2 posts, another post, number 19, has been deleted also. This one I have read already this morning, before it went missing :P The writer was criticizing TP's moderators. To be honest, compared to other platforms (how do you call it?) on the net, TP is still far okay. I myself have experienced my posts on the helper's forum deleted, but then reposted again. Still, other platforms on the net are worst. Maybe I have been playing in this virtual world too much that I know too much... hahaha.
HOWEVER, what Michael had said to Steve, I consider impolite. As I mentioned just now, I came here actually just to find how my blog post was referred to. But alas! I was shocked how a moderator of TP could say such a thing. I had to scroll up and down to make sure. Utrecht is familiar to me. Now, post #19 has been deleted -- by the moderator. Actually, I don't see any reason why that post #19 has to be deleted. If you don't think TP's moderators are like that, why worry? That's such not a gentleman. If the the other way round had happened, Steve accusing Michael's photo not Michael's, I'm sure Steve's post on that would have been deleted ALSO. Post #3 has a thousand more reason to be deleted than post #19.
- *Maybe this post to would be deleted :P
[ Edit: Edited on 17-Mar-2014, at 07:30 by automidori ]
HOWEVER, what Michael had said to Steve, I consider impolite. As I mentioned just now, I came here actually just to find how my blog post was referred to. But alas! I was shocked how a moderator of TP could say such a thing. I had to scroll up and down to make sure. Now, post #19 has been deleted -- by the moderator. Actually, I don't see any reason why that post #19 has to be deleted. If you don't think TP's moderators are like that, why worry? That's such not a gentleman. If the the other way round had happened, Steve accusing Michael's photo not Michael's, I'm sure Steve's post on that would have been deleted ALSO.
I can guarantee that such a hypothetical post by Steve would not have been deleted. Likewise, there's no chance whatsoever of your previous post being deleted. I would not be present on this forum if something like that would be tolerated. (And we welcome feedback and questions and people being critical! This is one of the few ways (and by far the best) in which the admins learn about what the membership of this site cares and thinks about. You might get the unfortunate impression that nothing is being done with your questions and that you're just being stonewalled, but I'm guaranteeing that what you write goes into the mix for the admins to determine how to shift things about, and that the answers you're getting are as much as possible purely trying to explain the current thinking.)
Also, FWIW, moderators are only moderators of specific subforums (you can see here who moderates which forum). Michael is not capable of moderating threads and posts here in the System Talk forum; only me, Hien, and the admins are. There's also a vast difference between what people write when they're acting as just regular members of this forum (where I agree that what Michael wrote comes over as direct to the point of rudeness - though not inflammatory enough to cross the very high barrier beyond which we consider deleting a post for such reasons), and how they act when performing their role as moderator (where I believe Michael to be way more considerate in how he behaves himself; because all of us moderators do realize the responsibility which is inherent in this role).
I haven't seen post 19 before it was deleted, but if this is the troll I'm thinking of (as far as I know we only have a single one active at the moment), then even if the post itself was perfectly okay, other posts made by this troll weren't, and probably all of them were deleted en masse as soon as the troll was recognized by one of the admins. So it wouldn't have been something in post 19 itself, but just the overall output of that poster, which would've caused that post to be deleted. (Note: This is just a hypothesis.) (Also: Troll-person, if you're reading this, I'd really, really like to talk with you. I completely agree with the underlying goals of what you're trying to do, but we can go about it in a way more effective manner, which would actually do some good. Please contact me!)
[ Edit: Edited on 17-Mar-2014, at 07:55 by Sander ]
What Sander said is right about that post - the troll came on, posted a bunch of posts on exactly the same thing as previously which only serves to make the real thread participants feel bad. Obviously they're annoyed that we remove all their posts now (they're all basically identical) which is why there was that post #19. I decided to remove it also because I have no desire to engage with that person in the forum anymore. I actually tried to send them an email on the matter but of course it bounced.
Wow? More like YAWN. Or is that rude too? Anyway I apoligized in post 12 and for me that was that. Agree to disagree? Fine for me too. But I explained and sad I was sorry. No need to bring up this post and on top of that all it's a different subject too. Ok let's travel and contribute to our lives everybody.. Enjoy and best regards from a warm Costa Rica!
only serves to make the real thread participants feel bad.
Whether it makes feeling bad or not, people can read here and tell for themselves.
I came here in the first place not to discuss about moderators anyway.
I happened to have read post #19 before it went removed.
Now, after reading 'moderators', I somehow understand why one would write such a thing.
I thought, wow...
Mike, there's really no need to lash out at Shuni. She's asking valid questions which I'm quite happy to answer. The thread was revived by a spammer which made it seem recent. That's not her fault.
Re: post #19, there were dozens of posts from that person almost all identical, from multiple accounts and not on the topic of travel. It is not in our forum's best interest to allow people to abuse this platform for their own agendas. Forum rules are clearly shown when posting here and one of those rules is to not post duplicate posts. This person has repeatedly broken that rule and clearly has never had any interest in being a genuine contributor to this site.
As for the photos, which was after all the original topic at hand .. yes, there's always a chance that someone will copy the 800px photo and use it elsewhere. This is a reality of sharing photos online. I've had watermarked images taken and the watermark photoshopped out of them before resharing without credit, so even watermarking can't really stop this from happening. I also know there are many professional and very successful photographers who don't spend time watermarking their photos (Trey Ratcliff is a prominent one - his reasoning for not watermarking is here) . I don't really care either way what a photographer chooses to do. But for Travellerspoint to be able to use it as a featured photo, it is hard if there is a really prominent watermark pasted in the image.
All the people behind Travellerspoint believe in protecting photographers' rights as best we can. Many of us are keen photographers ourselves. You're quite right that there is a lot of time and effort that goes into creating photos and it's only right that people respect that. Mike's frustration earlier in this thread is only because he frequently sees people upload photos they clearly don't have the rights to into their TP gallery. We also occasionally get requests from copyright holders to remove images they've found posted on here and of course we respect that request when it comes in. With well over 2 million photos in our galleries though, the vast bulk of these are however original photos posted by their owners. Which is a lot more than can be said for a lot of other sites around the web.
Fine Peter but what baffles me is terms like 'shocked that a moderator says things like that'. Really? Is that shocking? Impolite is a term I agree with hence the apologies. So for me it was over from there. In my opinion Steve not replying to my apologies is impolite too. Maybe I was to direct but sometimes it seems to me that national/cultural diffs and things on paper just mean a lot of frustration and misundetstanding too. But not participating the way I want anymore I really pass. Lots of dictatorships already and done being the nicest kid in class because of other's being offended instantly. Sorry but that is how I think about it.
Well yes, there is a cultural thing there too. Dutch people are notoriously "forthright" And particularly in written form it is always hard to interpret whether people are being rude or just honest (fine line there). I know you say it like it is and when it's directed at me, I can deal with it as I deal with enough Dutch people in my life. Your apology was much appreciated by myself at least as a way of resolving the issue. And as far as I'm concerned that flare-up was entirely over as of Dec 18th last year. I'd rather leave it at that.