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31. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1165 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting greatgrandmaR

The reason taxes are not included in the prices in the US and Canada is that the taxes are different in every local.

Why is that a valid reason? A shop has to produce a price ticket, it's no more difficult to make it read the correct price the customer pays.

I think a more likely original reason is that shops like to appear cheaper so they chose to leave things off the ticket price. Letting that carry on seems to me to be a lack of consumer protection, suggesting a society where business dominates.

32. Posted by hasbeen (Travel Guru 1260 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

It seems I may have confused Princess Australia with P&O Australia . . . for those interested, here are the gratuity polices as reported by Cruise Critic for much of the cruise industry https://www.cruisecritic.com/articles.cfm?ID=266 there is no one-size-fits all.

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jul-2017, at 13:46 by hasbeen ]

33. Posted by berner256 (Moderator 1047 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

There links might be useful in understanding taxation in the United States, which has a federal system of government.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxation_in_the_United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_government_of_the_United_States

A key point: "The state governments tend to have the greatest influence over most Americans' daily lives. The Tenth Amendment prohibits the federal government from exercising any power not delegated to it by the States in the Constitution; as a result, states handle the majority of issues most relevant to individuals within their jurisdiction. Because state governments are not authorized to print currency, they generally have to raise revenue through either taxes or bonds."

There are other jurisdictions besides states that have the power to tax. These include school districts, counties, cities, etc. As a result, tax rates differ widely throughout the United States. There is no central taxing authority.

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jul-2017, at 13:53 by berner256 ]

34. Posted by hasbeen (Travel Guru 1260 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting alessandro3

For me its:
People who do no planning. - I tend to overplan, and I love researching what I can do in a certain place/country.

Sorry Alessandro, we seem to have hijacked your thread with all this cruise & tax talk.

Steve

35. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 776 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Andyf

Quoting greatgrandmaR

The reason taxes are not included in the prices in the US and Canada is that the taxes are different in every local.

Why is that a valid reason? A shop has to produce a price ticket, it's no more difficult to make it read the correct price the customer pays.

I think a more likely original reason is that shops like to appear cheaper so they chose to leave things off the ticket price. Letting that carry on seems to me to be a lack of consumer protection, suggesting a society where business dominates.

Business does dominate here. Why do you question that? And I don't think it is very much different in other areas of the world with consumer economies.

None of the price tickets in the US include taxes. Many price tickets are produced by the manufacturer and not by the shop. A grocery store will put the price on the shelf (and sometimes the unit price) but there isn't any price on the item itself. The item is scanned by the cashier and the scanner puts the price into the register. The customer must remember what the price on the shelf was in case the scanner is wrong.

Gas stations (petrol stations for the UK) have a price on the pump which does not include taxes and may in addition reflect the price for cash - there will be an additional charge for the use of a credit card.

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jul-2017, at 14:22 by greatgrandmaR ]

36. Posted by Teoni (Respected Member 562 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

I was told the reason tax is not included in price in the USA is because the tax is calculated on a percentage of the total bought and not on the individual items hence you can only calculate it after sales. My point about the cruise ship tip wasn't about the tipping culture in general. While it might not be nice you can walk out of a restuarant and not tip there is still a voluntary nature to it, no can stop you leaving and no can can debit your card without your permission. But with the cruise ship tip you have to pay whether it is through your linked card or when you settle your debts, so to me it sounds more like a fee than a tip in which case I think it should just be included in the price, unless with taxes charged on the total percentage maybe it is just some way to avoid that.

Sorry Alessandro, we seem to have hijacked your thread with all this cruise & tax talk.

Cruising is a strangely contentious subject isn't? Once someone mentions it we all need to way in.

37. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 776 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting hasbeen

Quoting alessandro3

For me its:
People who do no planning. - I tend to overplan, and I love researching what I can do in a certain place/country.

Sorry Alessandro, we seem to have hijacked your thread with all this cruise & tax talk.

Steve

OK two other modes of travel that I can't agree with

People who travel in spite of the fact that they have no money and rely on the kindness of strangers to fund their trips instead of working and saving for the trip (hitchhiking and couch surfing come to mind). It seems like selfish free-loading to me.

And people who stiff the workers by not tipping because they have some problem with the whole tipping culture. If they eat in a restaurant, walking out without tipping does not do any harm to the restaurant - only to the workers. If you don't want to tip, don't go places where tips are expected. Go to the grocery and buy food, or eat in the fast food places.

Also I guess there is a third one - people who insist on tipping when that isn't the norm.

[ Edit: Edited on 14-Jul-2017, at 16:29 by greatgrandmaR ]

38. Posted by Teoni (Respected Member 562 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

It seems like selfish free-loading to me.

I wrote this on another thread but I did see a documentary series about two French guys who did exactly that. In a way it was quite touching to see people wanting to give them a hand and it was surprising how far you can go with no money. In fairness though while they didn't pay in cash, where ever they stayed they helped with household chores, so cooking, cleaning, household repairs with one person they even volunteered to do a survival course with what looked like some sort of summer camp. On farms they were staying at they did farm work, and when getting a ride and I have heard hitchhikers say this before you are kind of expect to have good conversation and entertain the driver as a sort payment for the ride. Honestly after watching the series while it was nice to see the sense of community they created and the surprising stories they discovered of ordinary people I did think hitchiking seems like a lot of hard work.

39. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 776 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Yes, I have heard that about hitch-hiking (that you are expected to entertain the driver). I think that would be a good reason to pick one up if I had a long drive by myself (if I weren't female). I haven't seen people hitchhike in a long time here. I picked up a hitch-hiker about 20 years ago (before I retired so I was still working). i saw him a couple of days in a row at the same place, so I picked him up. He had a temporary car problem and was trying to get to work in the next county, so I took him over there as I was going in that direction. But he wasn't actually traveling - he was just trying to get from his home to his job. There are slug lines in D.C. where people who are driving and want to ride in the HOV lines (high occupancy vehicle) will stop and pick up a couple of people so that can do that legally. It's kind of an ad hoc car pool.

In the case of your French guys, they were actually working for their room and board and that wouldn't be so bad I suppose. But it still seems like cheek to ask other people to pay for your trip.

40. Posted by hasbeen (Travel Guru 1260 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Back in the seventies hitch-hiking the Trans Canada was the thing to do & I just mapped the route I took from Ottawa to BC & back .. 6,717 miles round trip.
It was so much fun, I did it again a couple of years later.
There were many kids doing it .. sleeping in hostels or the side of the road or a school gymnasium & here is one story that comes to mind.
It was late & the guy giving us a ride said we were too late for a hostel so he drove us the local police station & asked for us to be taken in as voluntary prisoners .. The cops locked us in & even gave us vouchers for breakfast the next morning.
I bet that does not happen any more.

Nobody would pick anyone up if they did not want to so I never thought of it as sponging.

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