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51. Posted by wizzmor1977 (Respected Member 332 posts) 49w 1 Star this if you like it!

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And people who stiff the workers by not tipping because they have some problem with the whole tipping culture. If they eat in a restaurant, walking out without tipping does not do any harm to the restaurant - only to the workers. If you don't want to tip, don't go places where tips are expected. Go to the grocery and buy food, or eat in the fast food places.

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Completely disagree, Non tipping culture seems to work perfectly fine almost everywhere else in the world, its a terrible system to put the onus on the consumer to top up an employees wage because the actual money they are making is barely livable. Tips should be a way of rewarding excellent or exemplary service, not an obligatory extra on somebody doing a duty in which their job entails.

52. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1059 posts) 49w Star this if you like it!

Quoting greatgrandmaR

Taxes are just something that people traveling to a decentralized place like the US and Canada are just going to have to deal with.

That suggests this blight is something inevitable in exchange for being "decentralised". There are plenty of federal states out there which manage to sign things correctly for customers.

To me it just marks such places out as a dump and I go elsewhere next time.

I'm beginning to regret buying flights to Canada now. Hope the Canadian Rockies are worth it. :-)

53. Posted by Teoni (Respected Member 492 posts) 49w 1 Star this if you like it!

Tourist: "Oh come on I'm not paying tourist prices!"
Vendor: "So calculate the minimum wage for 12hrs work in your country and pay me that"

Bargaining can be annoying, especially keeping up with all the different rules and ettiqutte particular to each country, but I still find I usually get the item cheaper than I would at home.

All this talk about tipping and taxes is a mute point. As a tourist you aren't going to change the system, that is up to the people who live there to make the system better. Though travelling around Central America it was pretty annoying having the locals expect me to tip because I happen to be an English speaking tourist. They kept assuming we were American and couldn't understand why we were paying like the European tourists. I'm all for when in Rome... but I am not adhering to American culture when I am not in America.

That brings up another travel method that I just do not like - people who complain about stuff until the company gives them free stuff to shut them up. Like people who take a cruise (oops - bad word), and then make a bogus complaint - they deliberately behave in a way that causes a problem so the cruise ship gives them back their fare.

Ok I'm shock People actually do this? Wow that is low. Maybe cruise lines need a passenger blacklist for those scammers.

I'm beginning to regret buying flights to Canada now. Hope the Canadian Rockies are worth it. :-)

The Canadian Rockies are beautiful, something truely awful would have to happen for you to regret going there. As far as tipping in Canada we were told you only tip restaurant staff and tour guides, though check to make sure it hasn't already been added to your receipt.

54. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1059 posts) 49w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Teoni

As far as tipping in Canada we were told you only tip restaurant staff and tour guides.

Was it a tour guide who told you this? :)

55. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 673 posts) 49w Star this if you like it!

Quoting wizzmor1977

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And people who stiff the workers by not tipping because they have some problem with the whole tipping culture. If they eat in a restaurant, walking out without tipping does not do any harm to the restaurant - only to the workers. If you don't want to tip, don't go places where tips are expected. Go to the grocery and buy food, or eat in the fast food places.

Completely disagree, Non tipping culture seems to work perfectly fine almost everywhere else in the world, its a terrible system to put the onus on the consumer to top up an employees wage because the actual money they are making is barely livable. Tips should be a way of rewarding excellent or exemplary service, not an obligatory extra on somebody doing a duty in which their job entails.[/quote]

It is the way we do things. It is different from the way you do things but just because you don't like it doesn't mean that it is bad or that we need to change to conform to your opinion of the way things should be. THis is just one of the things that you must deal with when you travel outside your own country. It is no different then any other cultural difference that needs to be accepted.

IT is the same way with taxes. It's the way we do it. It isn't a lousy unfair marketing trick - It doesn't fool anyone that is local. It is your job as a traveler to know how it works here.

It's like getting bent out of shape about places that charge different prices for the local people and for tourists.

I do not know why you folks seem to feel it is OK to disparage the local customs in North America when you would not do the same thing about any other country in the world.

56. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1059 posts) 49w Star this if you like it!

Quoting greatgrandmaR

I do not know why you folks seem to feel it is OK to disparage the local customs in North America when you would not do the same thing about any other country in the world.

Well in the case of tipping, your countrymen's behaviour infects other places when you travel, making it worse for the traveller who follows you.

Just as you told me the other day that there are no wrong questions, maybe there no wrong opinions.

57. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 673 posts) 49w 1 Star this if you like it!

There are wrong opinions, and everyone is entitled to their own. But any opinion expressed is fair game for counter-argument.

The fact that we may tip inappropriately is the same old problem of people not respecting local customs. Both people from the US and people from other countries who come here. It's not an indictment of the practice of tipping - just of people who are clueless travelers.

[ Edit: Edited on 15-Jul-2017, at 12:50 by greatgrandmaR ]

58. Posted by Teoni (Respected Member 492 posts) 48w Star this if you like it!

Was it a tour guide who told you this?

No, they were Canadians driving around their own country but thinking on it I probably should have doubled checked whether their source wasn't a tour guide

59. Posted by Teoni (Respected Member 492 posts) 48w 1 Star this if you like it!

I do not know why you folks seem to feel it is OK to disparage the local customs in North America when you would not do the same thing about any other country in the world.

I think one of the reason it is so easy to disparage tipping and taxes at checkout is that it is about money. Most cultural practices that annoy the hell out of us don't usually result in financial loses and as travellers who are carefully budgeting each day and trying to stretch that dollar as far as possible the lack of pricing transparency starts to send you a bit mad. You are American you are acclimatised to it but when you come from a place where you've basically been indoctrinated that anyone who tries to charge you more than the price advertised is ripping you off it is hard to be comfortable with not knowing what the bill is till it is totalled. It's one of the reasons I love American food truck culture, if the price says $14 it's all you pay! it's fantastic

[ Edit: Edited on 15-Jul-2017, at 21:23 by Teoni ]

60. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 673 posts) 48w Star this if you like it!

I realize WHY it is that people are annoyed.

But it isn't OK to say all the negative things that have been said about taxes and tipping. If I am in a place where bargaining is the norm, even though I hate doing it, I just grit my teeth and do it. I don't say that the price on the object should be the true price that I must pay and that I shouldn't have to bargain.

You could also find out what the tax rate is although it is sometimes complicated. I'd allow an extra 10% - in Maryland most things are 6%, but sometimes in hotels there is an extra fee (like you sometimes have at resorts -- always read the fine print)

[ Edit: Edited on 15-Jul-2017, at 21:41 by greatgrandmaR ]

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