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21. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 2099 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

Quoting hasbeen

Here are the visa free rules as supplied by Viator ( there are other sources such as St. Peter line & I also hear elsewhere on TP that the stated requirement to be on a tour as well is not absolute.)

https://www.viator.com/tours/Helsinki/Day-Tour-from-Helsinki-to-Saint-Petersburg-without-a-Russian-visa/d803-13975P25/important-info

Steve

I can't get that link to work.

We did a private tour in St. Petersburg with Alla tours and they did the visa. The cruise director tried to make it difficult/impossible for us to get off the boat by saying that it was illegal for us to go unless we were on one of their tours. I did the private tour because by the time I took this trip I was in my 70's and couldn't walk very well.

http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/140035/Alla-Tours-5
http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/140035/Peterhop-Pushkin-6
http://www.travbuddy.com/travel-blogs/140035/Hermitage-7

22. Posted by hasbeen (Travel Guru 1260 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

Quoting greatgrandmaR

Quoting hasbeen

Here are the visa free rules as supplied by Viator ( there are other sources such as St. Peter line & I also hear elsewhere on TP that the stated requirement to be on a tour as well is not absolute.)

https://www.viator.com/tours/Helsinki/Day-Tour-from-Helsinki-to-Saint-Petersburg-without-a-Russian-visa/d803-13975P25/important-info

Steve

I can't get that link to work.

Try this one https://stpeterline.com/-/visa-free-rule = same rules

steve

23. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 2099 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

Yes that one works, but I don't know that I would want to use that exemption if I were traveling with children. It sounds very dicey to me. We had enough of a problem doing a private tour from a cruise ship.

24. Posted by hasbeen (Travel Guru 1260 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

Quoting greatgrandmaR

You can do a day trip from Helsinki to Tallin if you want to (there is a ferry), but you run into the problem with Russian visas if you want to add St. Petersburg, and St Petersburg needs at least 2 days on it's own. You can't add Stockholm to this segment.

Why do you say that about Stockholm?

https://www.sales.vikingline.com/ has ferries from Helsinki to Stockholm & there are probably other ferry lines.

Ps .. & here are the others http://ca.directferries.com/helsinki_stockholm_ferry.htm

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2017, at 15:11 by hasbeen ]

25. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 2099 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

Obviously you CAN do this. But to do Helsinki, Stockholm, St. Petersburg and Tallinn in four days is really pushing it. I think St. Petersburg needs two days if you are going to do it at all. If you eliminated Russia it would be perfectly possible, but even the direct ferries will take some time.

Helsinki, FInland (trips to St Petersburg,Russia, Stockholm, Sweeden, possibly Tallinn, Estonia, others) - 4

26. Posted by berner256 (Moderator 1527 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

I suspect it's a bit premature to discuss specifics at this point, since the trip isn't scheduled to occur until a few years from now. The travel world is constantly changing. What applies now might not in the future. That's true of visa requirements as it is with transportation, among other things.

There have been some excellent suggestions on this topic by people who love to travel and want to share their experiences. Bravo!

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2017, at 15:36 by berner256 ]

27. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 1749 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

You stated you are above average in the financial department, if that is the case why can you not make this trip longer? Or take multiple trips? I just assumed the rushed nature of your itinerary was because of some special deal.

I know your dissapointed by the criticism but you wanted advice from experienced travellers and they are telling you what it is like once you remove the rose coloured glasses. When I first started travelling I was just like you, I thought I had all the time in the world and I could bang out things so quickly. It didn't take me long to realise what a huge mistake I made. It is easy to forget in the excitment of planning that dream trip, that your body needs things, like sleep, eating (you would be surprised how long acquiring and eating a meal actually takes, even if you do take out only) even tracking down and using a bathroom and then you have to co-ordinate opening hours for all the attractions all this eats into your time and before you know it there is none left

You also have to take into account that things run differently in other countries. Things are slower, there is more congestion, crowds and bureaucracy than probably where you live, and this again eats into your time. If you are using local transport you need time to learn the system, if you are driving you need to leave time for parking.

We are not trying to be mean, and I don't think anyone is giving you sass, they are just trying impart their experiences and I can only say from my experience you end up regretting not taking the time to just sit back and breath. I know you are worried about being bored, but I too am a high energy person, I do a lot of physical activities and by the end of my first trip I was exhausted. When I came back I ended up sleeping for nearly 48hrs due the accumulated jet lag, my mum wanted to take me to hospital she thought I must be dying

I do disagree that you need to spend days in a city to explore it. I have spent 24hrs in plenty of cities and was perfectly happy. Though with Sydney I would recommend a few days so you can see the surrounding areas. The cruise idea is something you should seriously consider, especially if you are looking to go round the world. It would be less logistical and certainly more relaxing.

beyond that, you don't go to New Zealand for the cities!

This is very true, NZ cities are not that amazing, you go to NZ for the natural scenery, if you have no time for this exploration, there is no point going to NZ.

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2017, at 16:27 by Teoni ]

28. Posted by akh42010 (Budding Member 11 posts) 4y 1 Star this if you like it!

I originally had the trip at well over 60 days including travel, but it was pointed out on my last post that with my 2 children in tow we may want to shorten the trip, as all of us will be pretty over traveling by about 6 weeks away or so, which I thought was a really good point. And I will be going round the globe more than once, but the want to get it all in in one is because we'll more than likely only take the kids once, the rest will be just my husband and myself traveling.

Definitely not disappointed by the criticism, it's welcomed in constructive manners. I just thought it was comical that my last itinerary was much more unrealistic looking back and drew much more constructive criticism.

I am hearing from a lot of people to spend more time in New Zealand and Australia as a whole though, so may need to look into that. Also it was mentioned that we could head west instead of east, I never really took that into consideration for some reason, but with the hike to Machu Picchu that may not be a bad idea.

29. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 1749 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

we may want to shorten the trip, as all of us will be pretty over traveling by about 6 weeks away or so, which I thought was a really good point.

I do understand the point but you have to take into account pace. If you plan on keeping to your itinerary then a longer trip would be better. If it is going to be in such a rush and with all the time you will be spending in a plane you will be over it much sooner. There is not much to enjoy in airports or plane rides (not unless its a small plane over scenic areas). You say this is the only time you'll travel with your kids so spending more time together should be a good idea. I have a friend who while back packing in Vietnam met a family with two kids, boy and girl, they had been travelling two years non stop, they were taking their sweet time crossing the globe and they were still not over it.

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2017, at 19:36 by Teoni ]

30. Posted by hasbeen (Travel Guru 1260 posts) 4y Star this if you like it!

With all this advice about what you should not do, I have lost track of the advice about what you do want to do .. please remind me.

Steve

[ Edit: Edited on 01-Aug-2017, at 19:40 by hasbeen ]