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1. Posted by Yonis Osman (First Time Poster 1 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Hey everbody.
I”m 17 years old, and from Denmark. The last month has been deprission. I do not have any god grades, because i havent been to School for 1 year and 6 months when i was 14-15 years old. I been into problems in School since i was 10. And been into to many schools in few years. So i dont know about my Education but my chances is not that good👎🏾. I Got a lot of friends, and im happy i Got Them, so it Will be a bit difficault to leave Them. My relationship to my parents is not the Best, and it only makes it worse. And trust me all of you in here “I am ready to start a new life and begin take Care of my self. So i want to move now, and immigrate to the UK. Because it is easier Then moving to Canada or somwhere Else i would like to live. But I dont Got any saved up money, but i am employed rigth now, and work in a store. I been Reading alot these days because i want to begin my new life soon.

So i want to know What my chances are as a young Danish citizen moving to get a place to live while i am working and studiying.?

PS: i know that i Can move out and live on my own when a person turns 16 in UK.

[ Edit: Edited on 21-Dec-2017, at 08:57 by Yonis Osman ]

2. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1322 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Hi Yonis

So what do you hope to do in the UK? And how will this be better than Denmark?

Often people running away from their problems end up taking them with them, and relocating often isn't a solution. But if you have an idea what you want to do with your life, with drive and determination you will succeed.

The UK is crowded, leading to a shortage in the housing market - prices are high. Some landlords will be dubious about renting to a 17 / 18 year old; all will demand a bond or deposit as well as rent up front, and an employer reference showing you have a job. For social housing help, you will be a loooong way down a waiting list.

So things are stacked against you. I think you need to improve your chances by saving some money, and coming up with a job plan. Do you know anyone you could lodge with? Do you have an employable skill? Where do you hope to live in Britain? What do you plan to study?

3. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 893 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Hi. You have a couple good things going for you. You obviously speak at least two languages. You also have friends and I wouldn't be too quick to leave them. Your parents are probably upset because they know you could finish school and probably end up getting a better job than if you don't. This is normal for parents and you will probably be the same when you are a parent. Keep in mind they are only upset because they love you.

Question: Do they have trade schools in Denmark? If they do, you might think about going to a trade school for something that interests you. That would give you a marketable skill, make you happier and cheer your parents. You could save some money while you completed your trade school and then you would have enough to get started in the UK if you still wanted to go there and it would be easier for you to get a decent job.

Also, one other thing to think about is the fact that everybody grows up at a different speed so at 14 or 15 you might not have been ready to do the things required by your school. At 17, you might find them much easier and even much more interesting. I know lots of people who couldn't do different math subjects at 14 or 15 and they discovered they could do them when they went back to school. It's something to think about. A lot of school is just practice or doing homework a couple times instead of just once. If you every played a musical instrument, your teacher told you to practice every day. This works for math, science, history, languages . . . nearly anything. You might surprise yourself and have a lot of fun.

Lots to think about. I wish you the best of luck and hope it all works out.

4. Posted by leics2 (Respected Member 494 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

> What my chances are as a young Danish citizen moving to get a place to live while i am working and studiying.?

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the chances are very tiny indeed, I'm afraid. It is nothing to do with the right to move away from home when you are 16 but everything to do with the realities of the situation. If you are under 18 your parents are still responsible for you even if you have left home and I think the same applies even if your parents live elsewhere in the EU.

You are not legally an adult until you are 18. It is very unlikely indeed that any private landlord would rent to you because, as you are not a legal adult, he/she would be 'in loco parentis' (in other words, responsible for you). I cannot imagine any private landlord being willing to take an underage tenant. Private rentals always require a bond (usually one month's rent) plus a month's rent in advance.

I'm afraid the same applies to hotels and hostels. If you're not 18 you're going to encounter major problems in finding anywhere to stay.

As noted above, local councils have very little social housing available and, as a young single person, you are very unlikely to be offered anything at all.

It isn't easy to get a job which pays enough for cover rent, bills and food (let alone transport, clothes and entertainment) anywhere in the UK be honest...without qualifications you are only likely to get low-paid and/or zero-hours contract jobs.

The best advice I can offer you is to wait until you are at least 18 before you even think of moving to another country. Until then, try to improve your qualifications (it's a very good idea to learn a trade) and save up at least some money.

5. Posted by Teoni (Respected Member 641 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Before you give up on education have you or your parents thought of investing in a tutor? When I was in High school I knew a girl struggling academically and her parents got her a tutor and the one on one lessons really helped her understand the course work and her grades shot up. Some people just can't learn at the same pase as the class and need that extra boost.:)

As for your move to UK plan I have to agree with everyone here, it is unrealistic:( The unskilled UK job market is extraordinarily competitive, and unfortunately an industry ripe in exploitation. Being from Denmark will probably work against you as employers will assume you are more educated and more likely to argue if you feel you are being ripped off. You are going to have to gain a skill or further your education before working abroad.

6. Posted by Andrew Mack (Respected Member 585 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting Yonis Osman

What my chances are as a young Danish citizen moving to get a place to live while i am working and studiying.?

I have to agree with most of the other comments here.
Your chances are very low.

By the standards of Denmark, accommodation, food, travel and education in the UK is expensive.
You are unskilled/untrained/inexperienced in Denmark where you read, write and speak the language fluently.
In the UK you'll be an unskilled/untrained/inexperienced person in a country where you do not read, write or speak the language fluently (you may be able to make yourself understood but that's not 'fluent' language skills).

How will you pay for your education and accommodation when you're unlikely to get a job, and if you do find work then it's unlikely to pay enough for your education after the costs of accommodation, food, clothing etc.

If you want to move to another country then you need to have skills that are transferable or else you will be competing with all the other unskilled workers that have lower costs, because they live with their parents or share a room with 4 other people, so they can survive on less salary, as that's still better than the 3rd world country they come from originally (yes it's a stereotype but it's a stereotype because in many cases it's correct!).

Stay in Denmark and learn a country transferable skill if you then want to move countries...

7. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1322 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

I think the key point has to be: * learn a trade *

As a young plumber / electrician / carpet fitter / plasterer you should earn good money with skills you can learn in a year or two, language fluency isn't so important, and the skill is mobile. These things have relatively little regulation but are in demand - as a freelance tradesmen you can work hard and make £200 a day rather than being tied to minimum wage where you'd make £60 a day.

Look for an apprenticeship in something like these trades and you will soon be able to move where you like and have money to improve your life. Youth isn't a disadvantage with these, and you don't have to waste years doing a degree which doesn't guarantee you a job.

8. Posted by leics2 (Respected Member 494 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

I agree that learning a trade is key, though you should also be aware of potential changes in EU migration when the UK leaves. It may be that the UK will no longer allow freedom of movement in the way it does as an EU member.

As things stand:

Minimum wage for under-18s is £4.05 per hour.

Minimum wage for 18-20 is £5.60 per hour.

Many low-paid jobs are zero-hours contracts (that is, with no guarantee of how many hours you will work in any one could be 40 or it could be none).

So you'd be very lucky indeed to earn £60 per day in any minimum-wage job e.g. retail, fast-food...more like £30 - 45. Assuming you were also lucky enough to work 40 hours per week, that's around £120 - 160 (and there are deductions for National Insurance).

A room in a shared house + utilities bills (gas, electricity, water, council tax, television licence) will total around £100 per week leaving just £20-£60 for food (not cheap), transport (not cheap), clothes (not cheap) and everything else.

The cost of UK housing alone means that, nowadays, large and increasing numbers of young people still live with their parents well into their late 20s and early 30s.

[ Edit: Edited on 22-Dec-2017, at 00:08 by leics2 ]

9. Posted by aussirose (Respected Member 252 posts) 1y 1 Star this if you like it!

Hi Yonis. It's difficult for young ones now. You have a job and that is a good start. And you are on this site because you obviously want to experience new things in life. My son works in retail like you and doesn't make big money however he saves it... and now after years of saving has enough money to travel to Mexico and south into south america. It is a trip of a lifetime for him and obviously a life changer. My suggestion to you is to do similar. It will alleviate your depression.... seeing your savings increase with a fantastic goal that will improve your outlook in life and increase your self confidence to enable you to move on to bigger and better things.
There's nothing worse than being in a rutt. So it is up to you to change your life. Start by reading the blogs of other people that have taken up the work to travel experience. That will encourage you to enrich your life too. All the best :)

10. Posted by woinparis (Inactive 145 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

I don't think a travel forum is what you need.
You should discuss your life with people who have more insight like your parents, psychologists whatever.
My only advice would be to get back into education : you're still young, you can get back 'in the system'.
If not, sure you'll find a way, and sure, like stated above, you cna do the trip of a lifetime once in a while. However I do a trip of my lifetime every two years, and I bring alone at least 2 of my children.
But yes, sure, I went to school and I had (and still have) to fight for a good carreer.
Dropping out of school and running away may be tempting and may be a solution. Not one I'd take, so can't give much advice, except to seek advice everywhere, as you seem to be doing.