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21. Posted by woinparis (Inactive 145 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

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So.
You have been to Gent yet you think you know about Belgium and its landscape ?
Good ! You been to Flanders. You don't like flat country ? Ever heard that German army surprised french one by sending tanks in the Ardennes considered impassable because mountainous and full of hills trees etc. And the whole army was undetected because it was and is still hardly inhabitated ? Ever heard of the rivers Semois or Lesse where you go kayaking ?
Sure you are enticed to an opinion.
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[ Edit: Let's try to keep it nice. Andy didn't mean to insult and already apologised. ]

22. Posted by Teoni (Travel Guru 877 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting woinparis

Quoting AndyF

Quoting Teoni

Every country in Europe has some isolated natural beauty

Even Belgium? ;)

What moderator will remove this post considering it is insulting towards my country ?

At the very least I'd like you to abstain for making idiotic comments or don't expect mine to be interesting either.

I really do hate seeing conflict:( It is a bit of a dig but I don't think the intent was to insult but to express the opinion that Belgium is a fairly built up country, which clearly Andy isn't keen on In fairness Belgium isn't the first country that comes to mind when thinking about nature spots As a Belgian perhaps you could inform us of the best get away from it all nature spots to visit in your country It would go to answering the OPs question and maybe give Andy here some tips the next time he finds himself in country;)

23. Posted by woinparis (Inactive 145 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Teoni I did explain this in the post that is being deleted.

Saying you don't like Belgium because you have been to Gent is like saying you don't like Japanese food because you ate one sushi and didn't like it.

But ok I tend to overreact I suppose.

24. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1908 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

Quoting woinparis

Teoni I did explain this in the post that is being deleted.

I should point out that someone else flagged that post as inflammatory and I'm not going to do anything with that because obviously I'm conflicted and I'll leave it for another moderator to look at.

25. Posted by Sarahelainecp (Inactive 34 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

At times like this, I am reminded of that ancient piece of wisdom, "it would be a weird old world if everyone was the same, wouldn't it?" Personally, I like Belgium a lot and would love to go back. Antwerp is pretty, Brugge is lovely and home to a long and rambling anecdote about a school trip that I will spare you on this occasion but basically set me up for a life of being deeply suspicious of "authentic" travel as against "interesting" travel, for which I will always hold it in great affection - but it is not the place for, say, soaring alpine glaciers or balmy snorkelling (diving, on the other hand, it might have - I don't know). So we are back to what each individual person actually wants out of their trip.

Thank you for the heads up on the Ardennes - that looks lovely.

Germany's underrated too. I love Munich (out of Octoberfest season), have had some fantastic day trips in Koln and Nuremberg and would love to go back - Trier is very high indeed on my wish list.

[ Edit: Edited on 25-May-2018, at 01:25 by Sarahelainecp ]

26. Posted by woinparis (Inactive 145 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

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[ Edit: Edited on 25-May-2018, at 02:33 by woinparis ]

27. Posted by Sarahelainecp (Inactive 34 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

You're upset that people don't acknowledge Belgium as the foremost wilderness in Europe but you're happy to dismiss the entire Netherlands? Gosh.

For balance, I spent three months working in Utrecht. I loved the Netherlands, although I only saw cities and didn't get into the countryside at all (that said, a friend of mine loves the wild parts of the North Sea coast towards the north of the country). Maastricht is extremely pretty. Utrecht is lovely - and has a fantastic view from the gorgeous cathedral tower out towards Rotterdam and Amsterdam. And some really interesting museums, including a viking trade vessel. Rotterdam is generally considered ugly as sin, but I love some of the weird modernist architecture. Also, as I have a bit of a thing for views from towers and bonkers pointless mid twentieth century stuff, the Euromast is fun - as are the little sculptures dotted around Schreviningen. Delft and Leiden are very pretty - historic, compact and I enjoyed exploring the smaller cities. I didn't eat out all that much (and when I did was more likely to be with Dutch friends, which meant eating Italian or Japanese food...), but did enjoy what I had, certainly at the backpacker end of the budget. And what's not to love about Krokets - this is a nation that's figured out how to make stew portable! Although it has the same climate as Belgium - coastal mid-north europe is not the place to go if you need guaranteed sunshine, although I've drunk outside in both countries well into the late autumn.
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And in defence of German beer, I love Helles - Belgian beer is excellent but I'd probably choose Helles over a lot of it. And don't "woman" me - I'm Scottish, we can drink!

[ Edit: Edited on 25-May-2018, at 02:28 by Sarahelainecp ]

28. Posted by woinparis (Inactive 145 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

You're upset that people don't acknowledge Belgium as the foremost wilderness in Europe but you're happy to dismiss the entire Netherlands? Gosh.

Humpf...ok, you're right, sorry. I delete my post.

29. Posted by greatgrandmaR (Travel Guru 1496 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

As an adult, I think it perfectly appropriate to eat something and decide on the basis of one tasting that it is not something to eat again. If I tried sushi and hated it, why should I try it again? For instance - I had my first beer on a German train when I was 12. I didn't like it. I have tried it many times since, but have not changed my opinion. I can only stand to drink it when it is too cold to have any taste.

I don't understand why people are getting so defensive about their home countries WRT the OP's request. I confess that I find all of Europe very populated and was completely unable to think of any place which was away from a city with good accommodation. The natural beauty was not a problem (keeping in mind that different people find beauty in different places), it was the requirement that there be good places to stay but not in a population center. The places that I know of with dramatic views like Switzerland are reputed to be expensive, and I have not been there since 1950. I have no knowledge of rural accommodations. (Although come to think of it Adelboden might work for that since it was hard to get there in 1950 and apparently that is still the case)

[ Edit: Edited on 25-May-2018, at 07:49 by greatgrandmaR ]

30. Posted by Dymphna (Respected Member 221 posts) 1y Star this if you like it!

With all this bickering - how can we be taken seriously? Allow others an opinion.