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1. Posted by moorels (Budding Member 2 posts) 5w 1 Star this if you like it!

I would be interested to know if anyone has been through a similar experience to my horrendous one.

In September, 2016, I had booked a return flight with -snip- from Melbourne to Phuket.

I was seated alone as the plane was not very full.

There was a fellow also seated alone directly in front of me, an elderly couple seated directly to my left and an Asian man seated directly behind them.

During the flight an air hostess walked past my seat and I went to get her attention and tap her on the lower back. This was witnessed by the four above passengers. The air hostess in question, -snip- , suddenly turned around and accused me of assaulting her and touching her bottom which was not at all true. I was in shock and said I just wanted to order a drink and tapped her on the lower back.

The hostess then went to the four passengers to try and get statements from them to no avail. In fact the American man in front said don’t worry I saw the whole thing and I will back you up as you didn’t do anything wrong. The older man to my left also said it was just a misunderstanding and nothing in it as did the Asian man seated behind him.

Falling asleep I was woken by Thai police who marched me off the plane at gun point and taken to the police station at the airport threatened with jail, forced to sign a statement of apology to assaulting this woman and then pay them 20,000 Baht, AUD $800. I was not allowed to call a lawyer or the Australian Embassy for any assistance or would be thrown in jail.

After writing many letters of complaint to -snip- from October 2016, I finally received a response to say that they had done nothing wrong and that I was intoxicated and abusive which is a total lie.

-snip-

[ Edit: I'll leave the post, but remove the airline as it is potential slander otherwise. ]

2. Posted by berner256 (Moderator 989 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Avoid touching flight attendants and other crew members. Doing so can be construed as interference, which is punishable.

A violation of 49 U.S.C. § 46504 is a general intent crime; it does not require any specific intent to intimidate or to interfere with the flight crew member or attendant.

See this link: https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/interfering-with-a-flight-attendant-or-crewmember.htm

And this:

411. Interference With Flight Crew Members Or Flight Attendants -- 49 U.S.C. 46504
One who assaults, threatens, or intimidates a flight crew member or attendant while aboard an aircraft in the special aircraft jurisdiction of the United States, and thereby interferes with the performance of that crew member's duties or lessens the ability of that crew member to perform his/her duties is punishable under this subsection. See United States v. Meeker, 527 F.2d 12 (9th Cir. 1975). A violation of 49 U.S.C. § 46504 is a general intent crime; it does not require any specific intent to intimidate or to interfere with the flight crew member or attendant. See United States v. Grossman, 131 F.3d 1449, 1451-52 (11th Cir. 1997); United States v. Compton, 5 F.3d 358, 360 (9th Cir. 1993); United States v. Hicks, 980 F.2d 963 (5th Cir. 1992), cert. denied, 507 U.S. 941, 507 U.S. 998 (1993); United States v. Meeker, supra, 527 F.2d at 14. While attempted aircraft piracy and interference with flight crew can both be charged in the same indictment, if convicted on both charges, the defendant should be sentenced only under the attempted aircraft piracy conviction because, absent highly unusual circumstances, the interference with flight crew charge is the lesser included offense. See United States v. Compton, supra, 5 F.3d at 360; see also United States v. Calloway, 116 F.3d 1129 (6th Cir.), cert. denied, 118 S.Ct. 324 (1997); United States v. Figueroa, 666 F.2d 1375, 1380 (11th Cir. 1982).

It's always wise to follow the instructions of crew members at all times; and keep your hands to yourself.

3. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 615 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

There is a call button for a purpose.

4. Posted by karazyal (Travel Guru 2012 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

Never touch the flight attendants!

moorels

Do you routinely touch wait staff in other establishments when sober or only after drinking alcohol?

5. Posted by ToonSarah (Travel Guru 580 posts) 4w 2 Star this if you like it!

If a strange man touched my 'lower back' I would definitely find that offensive, even if I didn't go so far as to to call the police on the culprit. Don't you have a voice to speak to the woman? Or use the call button as Sally points out. I'm sorry but it seems to me you were out of order. The fact that you add the unnecessary information that the attendant was 'overweight and covered in acne' says a lot about your attitude to women

6. Posted by berner256 (Moderator 989 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

This Web site lists the job description of a flight attendant:

http://unitedafa.org/benefits/fmla/fa_job_description.pdf

Whenever I board, I always greet the crew; and when I leave, I always say, "Thank you."

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8. Posted by Stefmuts (Budding Member 75 posts) 4w Star this if you like it!

So now I know what -snip- means, reading this I thought the reaction by the hostess might be a bit over done, but reading Sarahs reaction on the snipped part I totally get it! You probably haven't been very nice to the hostess as well while still on the plane which probably escalated the situation. You should not have touched her in the first place but why not tap the shoulder if you must tap something!
So I'm sorry, no support on my part as well

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10. Posted by berner256 (Moderator 989 posts) 3w Star this if you like it!

Saw this in today's Wall Street Journal online:

"Alaska Airlines says that earlier this month it gave its flight attendants an app on their hand-held devices specifically to report sexual harassment, making it quicker and easier to alert the company to problem passengers. Alaska has had several high-profile issues involving passengers accused of harassing flight attendants, as well as a case of a passenger accused of harassing another passenger.

"The airline investigates every situation, says Andy Schneider, Alaska’s vice president of people, and decides whether to take action, including banning someone from flights either temporarily or permanently."