10 days for Austria, Italy and Germany

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1. Posted by cshelly (Budding Member 4 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

Hello,

We are doing a road trip in September first week from Salzburg to Munich for 10 days. I tried to make a itinerary/route based on some suggestions and various posts of other threads. Please suggest, if you think any change would make it better or any place/route sould be replaced with other, based on one better than other.
We will not be doing any hike, but close walks are fine. Along way, we would like to stop at places for photography. I know, it is rush, but we do not know, if we will visit this place soon and Venice/Dolomites/Alps are too tempting to miss for us.

1: Reach Salzburg and stay
2: Full day in Salzburg
3: Day trip to St.Wolfgangsee/Hallstat, back to Salzburg
4: Leave Salzburg, visit Ramsau, Grossglockner road, stay at Heiligenblut [Should stay more further, like Lienz or any other place?)
5: Heiligenblut to Venice drive via Udine. Park car at Tronchetto Parking and stay in Venice
6: Stay in Venice
7: Leave Venice at 12 noon, (A27, SS51) to Dolomites region, stay in/near Cortina [We will reach by 3 PM, should I stay further, to reduce next day travel?]
8: Leave Cortina (SP638), Passo Giau, Cernadoi, (SR48) Passo Pordoi, Canazei, (SS242) Passo Sella, Val Gardena, Val di Funes and stay near Santa Maddalena [Reason to take this route is photograph Santa Maddalena area, including iconic church]
9: Leave Santa Maddalena, Pikolein, (SS244) Bruneck, (SS49 - A22) Mittenwald and stay. In evening if we have time, go to Eng Alm and back at hotel.
10: Leave Mittenwald, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Linderhof Palace, Neuschwanstein Castle (from Marienbrücke bridge only) and reach Munich by evening/night

Thanks in advance.

2. Posted by UliS (Travel Guru 133 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

It's quite a bit cheaper to park your car in a Mestre Parking then at Tronchetto Parking (also accomodation is cheaper there and you don't have to carry your luggage over all those steps). The train from Mestre is very cheap and very frequent and in the evening backto Mestre until 00:35, after that are still buses running, The People Mover to Tronchetto (about 1 kilometer) only 07:00am - 11:00pm weekdays and 08:00am - 22:00pm weekend.
Driving and parking in Salzburg is very difficult (complicated oneway system), if you use a rental car take it only when leaving Salzburg, in that case go from Hallstatt to Ramsau, stay there and then stay in Lienz, then via Kötschach-Mauthen, Tolmezzo to Udine....
Otherwise your trip will bepacked but doable.

3. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 886 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

I appreciate that some people prefer this, but to me It looks like an endurance event more than a holiday. One day in Salzburg, one in Venice and one evening in Munich, whereas I'd want 17-21 days for a tour like that.

4. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 1099 posts) 50w 1 Star this if you like it!

Things like "Mittenwald, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Linderhof Palace, Neuschwanstein Castle" in a day seem difficult. We spent a day in each of these although the Neuschwanstein day included Hohenschwangau Castle and we did take the tour of both. You have to take an official tour and they are scheduled and fill up early so you're wise to only view Neuschwanstein from the bridge.

You won't have time to go to Eng Alm from Mittenwald in the evening. Save that for a future trip. Once you've visited the area, you will start planning a future trip.

Keep in mind you will often be on two-lane roads with traffic, so going can be slower than you expect. We also ran into some construction detours so be a little flexible with your time. In other words, have a few places you feel you can skip and not ruin your trip.

I think you may be doing too much but I know some people like to travel that way. You would probably be bored to death with us so it works both ways. I hope you'll return to the area sometime because there are so many other beautiful places you will be missing. Wieskirche comes immediately to mind and also Oberammergau. The whole area is just gorgeous so you should get lots of wonderful pictures if you have time to stop and take them.

You will need to have a tax sticker (Vignette) for Austria to drive on their roads. If you rent the car in Austria, it may have the sticker on it already. We drove from France through Germany into Austria and had to stop at a gas station and buy one. Austria is nice because you can buy temporary vignettes. Switzerland requires you to buy one for a full year which is annoying when you are only there for a week to a month or for us once, for a day.

Enjoy your trip.

5. Posted by cshelly (Budding Member 4 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

Thanks for your replies and suggestions. Have some additional questions.

UliS : For Venice, we both adults will have 2 bags, one hand baggage, along with 3 years old toddler. So, I am definitely looking for convenient way. I will reach by rental car around 2 PM. One must reason is, I want to do some photography at sunset and in night.
I checked this one parking - The Garage Europa is in Mestre. Should it work this way ? I park car in this parking, find out hotel in Mestre and reach there by taxi or train ? I looked hotels around this area and it looks little strange in pictures. Is it OK to come back to hotel in late night by public transport from Venice ? There are less hotels with parking facility, in budget.

Beausoleil & Andrew Mack : I agree, it is rush. I am trying to modify it little if that can help

4: Leave Salzburg, visit Ramsau, Grossglockner road, stay at Heiligenblut [This is 170 KM and I will have full day.To save some travel next day, I can stay at Lienz, but many posts say that Heiligenblut is beautiful, so I thought of this option. What is your suggestion ?]
5: Heiligenblut to Venice drive via Udine. [It is mostly drive day to reach Venice. Are there at spots to see in between, I should stop?]
7: Leave Venice at 12 noon, (A27, SS51) to Dolomites region, stay in/near Cortina [This seems be just 2 hours drive. To reduce next day travel, I can stay near Cernadoi or Pordoi Pass, instead of Cortina]
8: Leave Cortina (SP638), Passo Giau, Cernadoi, (SR48) Passo Pordoi, Canazei, (SS242) Passo Sella, Val Gardena, Val di Funes and stay near Santa Maddalena [Reason to take this route is photograph Santa Maddalena area, including iconic church]
9: Leave Santa Maddalena, Pikolein, (SS244) Bruneck, (SS49 - A22) Mittenwald and stay. [If this part looks long, I can reach Mittlewald directly (SP141, A22, Brenner, Innsbruck, Mittenwald) by noon. This will leave me to spend second half in that area. Is it worth skipping Pikolein route for Mittenwald area and probably Eng Alm too? Probably can stay further in Oberammergau or Garmisch-Partenkirchen]
10: Leave Mittenwald, Garmisch-Partenkirchen, Linderhof Palace, Neuschwanstein Castle (from Marienbrücke bridge only) and reach Munich by evening/night [We would take inside walk in Linderhof Palace but Neuschwanstein Castle]

6. Posted by UliS (Travel Guru 133 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

I usually stay near the Mestre main train station (and usually the cheapest i can find), good was the ao Venezia Mestre (https://www.aohostels.com/en/venice/venezia-mestre/), brand new and quite big, the Hotel Colombo(https://www.hotelhostelcolombo.com/), but wifi only in the small reception could do with some renovation, the Jolly Camping (https://be.bookingexpert.it/book/simple/step2?checkin=1536703200000&checkout=1536703200000&guesttypes[0][6967]=2&ages[0][6967]=18&lang=de&layout=11447¤cy=EUR&nsid=33618262-7c2d-42ac-9bfe-638fca569e91), this is about 2,5 km from the station and 1 km to the next bus stop, but swimming pool, reasonable restaurant,, no parking problem, and shuttle bus to Venice (€2,50). There are a lot off other hotels (with parking) as well, with booking.com for instance you can filter 'parking' and near 'Mestre station'.
Train Mestre to Venice is €1,25, bus and tram to Piazza Roma is €1,50, Taxi in Italy is quite expensive, boat (Vaporetto) in Venice is €7,50.
The Garage Europa is a bit out of the way.

[ Edit: Edited on 06-Jul-2018, at 23:35 by UliS ]

7. Posted by cshelly (Budding Member 4 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

Thanks UliS

8. Posted by AngiebabeVT (Budding Member 13 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

Hi I've found that most times I've rented a car in Switzerland the vignet sticker for toll roads had already been on it, and once there was one for Austria already on it too, but just luck I guess.
I managed to use side roads around Switzerland one time to miss the toll roads...but you've got limited time I guess.
I would recommend even a quick visit to Bassano el Grappa when on your way to Cortina/the dolomites as it has a wonderful old bridge in the centre of the old town though it's easily seen from a nearby parallel bridge , good vantage spot for photos plus gives mountains in the background, but there was public parking near this bridge and thdnbonly a few minutes walk to the old bridge and old town.

9. Posted by cshelly (Budding Member 4 posts) 50w Star this if you like it!

I will keep an eye on that, thanks for suggestion :)