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1. Posted by balifilip (First Time Poster 1 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

greatings,
i cant stop thinking about travelling from germany over poland, ukraine, ..., afghanistan, pakistan, mynmar, thai, malaysia, indonesia.
this is the recommendation form google.

did anybody personal went this route and actually know the current situation?

mate are welcome!

2. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 2259 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

I think your problem may be the section from Afghanistan through Pakistan and India - have a look into visas for your nationality getting through the border regions and border crossing points there.

Here's a German government advisory about travel in Pakistan - https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/pakistansicherheit/204974

I've read that the Afghan - Pakistan border is basically a war zone, but I've no idea how accurate or up to date that is.

[ Edit: Edited on 09-Jul-2018, at 14:50 by AndyF ]

3. Posted by askgudmundsen (Travel Guru 82 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

I would strongly agree with Andy.

Afghanistan is certainly not advisable to travel in - certainly not by road, and in your own vehicle, I can't imagine many trips more dangerous... People who visit tend to fly (also domestically) and keep a pretty low profile...

Driving south of Afghanistan (from Iran, through Pakistan and then to India) is possible, but risky... And will very much depend on the current situation on the ground...
It will inevitably include a large number of hired escorts from the Pakistani security forces in all the border provinces, and any other area of the country you have to pass through that is deemed insecure... All of this is made extra complicated from the lack of border crossings - the last information I have is that only one crossing between Iran and Pakistan, and one between Pakistan and India are open to third-nationals...

It's usually pretty travel-savvy people who do this, and they are not necessarily recommending others to do the same...

Driving through Russia and China is safe, but have many other complications... The easiest would probably be to arrange shipping from an Iranian port (e.i. Chabahar to Mumbai) despite the costs...

Cheers,

[ Edit: Edited on 09-Jul-2018, at 17:13 by askgudmundsen ]

4. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 1037 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

No mention of your mode of transport.

The big problems are getting across the Afghanistan - Pakistan border alive, I believe there's a big problem travelling across Azerbaijan and Georgia area (although that may be OK now), Getting a visa for Iran (I understand it's a great place but the visa can be very difficult to obtain), Pakistan - India Border can be difficult at certain crossings, I believe certain parts of East India require special permits for foreigners and the border between India and Myanmar closes regularly, and Myanmar requires you to have a government approved tour guide, (which is obviously expensive because it includes the word 'Government') if you want to drive/ride across Myanmar.
You didn't mention Singapore which is good because you couldn't afford to take a car or motorbike through there.
Assuming you are planning to go by car/motorbike, you'll need to work out what you need and what you have to pay (sometimes a 'cash deposit' is required, but can occasionally be returned if you're lucky) plus the cost of all the visas and special permits (the odd bribe), insurance (your own and you'll probably have to buy some in most countries as well), plus shipping across from Malaysia to Indonesia.
I assume you're an expert mechanic and a millionaire.

[ Edit: Edited on 09-Jul-2018, at 18:57 by Andrew Mack ]

5. Posted by UliS (Travel Guru 138 posts) 2y 1 Star this if you like it!

Georgia, Azerbaijan to Iran is no problem, did that last fall with public transportation, the Iran visa is a bit tricky but should be possible for Germans.
Afghanistan is out of the question (was there 1994, not a nice experience), in Pakistan crossing Baluchistan is a seriose problem, you will need a escort etc. (https://caravanistan.com/border-crossings/pakistan/), only from China and on to India is a possibility. The 5 day transit visa (Iran to Usbekistan, tourist visa only with a expensive tour) for Turkmenistan is not easy to get. Azerbaijan to Kasachstan by boat and on to China is a possibility (with your own transportation you will need a Chinese driving licence).
India to Myanmar was possible a few years ago (i did it by public transport), but now only by very expensive tour (i think the Rohinga problem is the reason), China to Myanmar only with a tour, Myanmar to Thailand no problem.

[ Edit: Edited on 10-Jul-2018, at 01:25 by UliS ]

6. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 1037 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

The above should have said "you'll need to work out what PAPERWORK you need ……" because each country needs different stuff and charges a different price.

7. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 1037 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

Quoting UliS

India to Myanmar was possible a few years ago (i did it by public transport), but now only by very expensive tour (i think the Rohinga problem is the reason),

It does depend what mode of transport he's planning to use.
I read his comment as 'I want to drive a car' (or maybe ride a motorbike).
I understand (from a friend who travelled there) that there are large areas of Myanmar which are restricted for foreigners (and have been since the country 'opened up') and travelling from the Indian border is one if those areas. They were a bit flexible when it came to using public transport but travelling independently was very difficult, but now the Rohinga issue has tightened that rule again.
If he is planning to go by Motorbike then there are some pre-arranged crossing groups where you ride in convoy along an agreed route with the government approved guide leading and the required 4 wheel drive car following. These are expensive but cheaper (per person) when more people are in the group. So generally people club together via internet forums (like advbike or horizonsunlimited).
I think the same happens with people travelling by 4x4 cars as well, but don't know what forums they use.

[ Edit: Edited on 10-Jul-2018, at 01:43 by Andrew Mack ]

8. Posted by askgudmundsen (Travel Guru 82 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

I have reports from people who have driven their own car into Myanmar from India at the Moreh/Tamu crossing... It requires a pre-arranged MTT (Myanmar Travel & Tourism) permit from a travel agency...

These permits - in theory - require travellers to enter/exit Myanmar at the same border crossing, however, in practice most people manage to exit Myanmar to Thailand - usually when they are passport holders of countries that do not need visas for entering Thailand (which Germany is)...

The Rakhine State is absolutely off limit at the moment...

Cheers

[ Edit: Edited on 10-Jul-2018, at 02:46 by askgudmundsen ]

9. Posted by king_golo (Respected Member 129 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

I haven't done it myself and I'm not going to, but last year there was a great movie in German cinemas, dealing with a very similar trip. Check the trailer on youtube if you want - the movie is called "Weit". Or you can watch it on the filmmakers' website: http://www.weitumdiewelt.de/trailer

10. Posted by UliS (Travel Guru 138 posts) 2y Star this if you like it!

A reply about the Moreh/Tamu crossing from travel agent in Myanmar (2 month ago):

"After setting the traveling date in advance, we apply the Ministry of Hotels and Tourism with full documents and itinerary.Overland permit process will take at least 10-15 days after we have received full documents. We are not able to get the permit separately without tour. So, you will need a full guided tour. So, the costing will include all of our services such as guide, pilot car, Liaison officer from Ministry of Hotels and Tourism, accommodations with breakfast, road fees and permit process fees.
With border land permit, you can exit either from other international border crossing or same border."

In case the rules change again and travel is more free, the road was good, no need for a 4 weel drive.

[ Edit: Edited on 10-Jul-2018, at 03:00 by UliS ]