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1. Posted by zhenggf (First Time Poster 1 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

My name is Chen wanqi. Einstein, Beethoven and Lenin are my favorite idols. Therefore, I always talk about idols and urge myself to be a person beneficial to society. If your idol is also one of these three great people, please contact me.

[ Edit: Sorry, no personal details please. ]

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3. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 1051 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Welcome to TravellersPoint. People are more likely to contact you if you fill out your Profile Page. I'm a great fan of Beethoven or at least of his music. I'm not sure I'd call him an idol though, just a great composer. What is it about him that appeals to you?

4. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 789 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

I also admire Einstein and Beethoven, but very definately not Lenin.
I don't believe a man that was partially responsible for millions of deaths is a man to admire.

5. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 1239 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Andrew Mack

I also admire Einstein and Beethoven, but very definitely not Lenin.
I don't believe a man that was partially responsible for millions of deaths is a man to admire.

Opening up a can of worms there - where do we draw the line? Stalin? Mao? Churchill? Gaddafi? Blair? Ceaușescu? Tito? Bush? - Very topical at the moment

I'm with you on Lenin - an interesting historical and political character but not an object of my admiration.

6. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1480 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Andrew Mack

definately not Lenin.
I don't believe a man that was partially responsible for millions of deaths is a man to admire.

I think that could be applied to Einstein as easily as Lenin. I think on balance Lenin was a decent man looking to improve things for his countrymen, it just got a bit political at times. Don't lump him in with Stalin, who after Lenin's death showed himself to be a murderous butcher.

7. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 789 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Quoting AndyF

I think that could be applied to Einstein as easily as Lenin. I think on balance Lenin was a decent man looking to improve things for his countrymen, it just got a bit political at times. Don't lump him in with Stalin, who after Lenin's death showed himself to be a murderous butcher.

I wouldn't have Churchill in that list as although he did some a few awful things outside the realm of a war (which he didn't start), it wasn't much (yes one is too much but not in that company).
Einstein similarly was only the man making the machine, not using it.
Whereas Lenin was in charge of the Red Terror, which was a dark day.

8. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1480 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

None of these figures acted alone, and in each case their actions hurt many and helped many, so it is all a question of perspective.

9. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 789 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

No, Lenin was in charge and made the call.
I don't think he helped anywhere near as many as he hurt.

10. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1480 posts) 26w Star this if you like it!

Okay you're right and no other viewpoint is valid.