moving to ireland with a criminal record in the uk

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1. Posted by gotinbatko86 (Budding Member 5 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

Hi to everyone,
i'd like to ask is anyone aware will i have problems to establish myself into Ireland, after i has been deported from UK to EU recently cos of criminal conviction 1 ABH and 4 common assaults and sentenced for 14 months and served 7 months into HM Pleasures ... Just to add some clearance with my case, its all about domestic violence and my ex partner and my house mates they have made me a set up it is a long story and one ruined life...... after 5 years in the UK, i'm a hardworking honest man used to work with Uber taxi, and my point is to go to Ireland and start new begging, get my taxi job back and this time without wrong steps!
Any advice is very welcome. UK shares information with Ireland ?

[ Edit: Edited on 17-Jan-2019, at 23:52 by gotinbatko86 ]

2. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 1248 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

Deported ftom the UK to where? Your passport will be important. You want to go to Ireland "... to start new begging..." - surely there's something lost in translation there?! You got a 14 month sentence for one ABH and four common assaults but it's all a set up and you're an 'honest man' - this looks like an interesting story.

3. Posted by gotinbatko86 (Budding Member 5 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Borisborough

Deported ftom the UK to where? Your passport will be important. You want to go to Ireland "... to start new begging..." - surely there's something lost in translation there?! You got a 14 month sentence for one ABH and four common assaults but it's all a set up and you're an 'honest man' - this looks like an interesting story.

I has been deported to country member of EU. Yes I consider myself as a hardworking and honest straight man. Why ? Cos i has found the foundations and has build up my UK life from 0 and i have achieved average life of cost until the set up. I had clear view how to a rise my life from average to high, but unfortunately : jealousy, hate, revenge, stupidity are also involved. But i'm seeking for information or advice as i have said its a long story

4. Posted by Borisborough (Moderator 1248 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

EU citizens can only be deported from the UK if they are a fundamental threat to society. EU citizens have freedom of movement throughout the whole of the EU member states so there seems to be no apparent reason, based on the circumstances you list, why you would not be able to settle in Ireland. Bear in mind that, since you are clearly persona non grata in the UK, Northern Ireland is out of the question too (although, since there are presently no border controls between Eire and N Ireland, it would be difficult for the authorities to enforce this).

Perhaps you should visit an immigration lawyer for proper legal advice.

[ Edit: Edited on 18-Jan-2019, at 00:14 by Borisborough ]

5. Posted by leics2 (Respected Member 663 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

> UK shares information with Ireland ?

Yes, most definitely.

The UK and the Republic of Ireland share a Common Travel Area (CTA). That means they share information about those who enter enter either country and those who are deported. The CTA also means they share more information about criminality than is shared between the UK and other EU countries because of the lack of border formalities between the two countries. A further agreement between the two countries in 2014 resulted in even more information being shared.

This level of sharing is very, very unlikely to reduce if the UK leaves the EU (which is by no means certain). Imo it is more likely to increase.

Despite misconceptions, the freedom of movement granted to EU citizens does not automatically extend to those who have been deported from other EU states and/or are considered a threat. Each EU (and Schengen) country has the right to refuse entry to citizens of another EU country on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. Cases are decided upon individually and having a criminal record is not, in itself, a bar.

> will i have problems to establish myself into Ireland

Domestic abuse is a very serious crime and it is a crime treated very seriously in both countries. You received a lengthy sentence and you were deported, which indicates just how seriously the court regarded your case. Your claim to have been 'set up' clearly had no impact in court.

But no-one here or anywhere else can tell you whether the Irish authorities will allow you into the country, regardless of your citizenship. As you are an EU citizen (apparently) the only way to find out for certain is to physically go to the Republic of Ireland. The border officers who deal with you on the day will decide whether to allow you entry.

[ Edit: Edited on 18-Jan-2019, at 00:37 by leics2 ]

6. Posted by gotinbatko86 (Budding Member 5 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

Thank you for the complete answer, my idea is to work and make a honest way like in the UK. If I succeed I will be very happy because I lost my freedom and the life I was at times better than I had in my home country. And it was all because of bullshit and mistakes not only mine but also the other participants in the action. Because I confessed to more than 60% of lies and complicated my life and situation even more, I also spent a fairly long 7 months in HMP. I pleaded guilty without any evidence only their words against mine. What i'm trying to explain is that all arguments become assaults (colored accusations). I can not accept how is possible to call to police and report something happens 7 months ago. While sheering same bed and still partners, suddenly I am threat and she is the victim. This happens cos i never had such experience with the authorities, i could not handle the time in well and i broke myself and give up. Like a real pussy, I thought i am strong man. Five days since out still recovery it is not easy to see how your life is going down and crash

[ Edit: Edited on 18-Jan-2019, at 00:59 by gotinbatko86 ]

7. Posted by leics2 (Respected Member 663 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

> Five days since out still recovery it is not easy to see how your life is going down and crash

I do understand. If you have only been out of prison for such a short time you are still adjusting. That adjustment will take far longer than just a few days. Allow yourself that time. Talking will help massively: to friends, to family, to professional support groups if available.

> I can not accept how is possible to call to police and report something happens 7 months ago

There are no set time limits in UK criminal law. In cases of domestic, and other, abuse it often takes victims a long time to build the courage to make a report.

Although domestic abuse is a serious crime...and especially as you pleaded guilty....the fact that you received such a long sentence (assuming you had no previous convictions in the UK or elsewhere) and were deported is indicative of the seriousness of your crimes, how they were regarded by the court and how much evidence there was against you. It will help both your mental recovery and your future chances of settling elsewhere in the EU if you can accept that what happened has happened and nothing can change it.

Accepting your guilt and your sentence, along with finding prison hard, does not make you a 'pussy'. A truly strong man (or woman) accepts his/her mistakes, takes his/her punishment , learns from both and uses the experience to make him or herself into a better human being. It might be best to begin rebuilding your life in your own country rather than immediately trying to 'run away' to another.

I wish you luck for the future.

[ Edit: Edited on 18-Jan-2019, at 02:01 by leics2 ]

8. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1484 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

My understanding of how the CTA works is that the UK and Ireland (and the other jurisdictions) agree to act as one, so a deportation from one covers all.

I am not an expert but I wouldn't build up your expectations of getting in to Ireland.

9. Posted by Andrew Mack (Travel Guru 789 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

Quoting gotinbatko86

I has been deported to country member of EU.

Any reason you don't mention which country within the EU (as most people would say that first)?

10. Posted by gotinbatko86 (Budding Member 5 posts) 13w Star this if you like it!

Quoting Andrew Mack

Quoting gotinbatko86

I has been deported to country member of EU.

Any reason you don't mention which country within the EU (as most people would say that first)?

No reason, you are the most curious here.
Curiosity kill the cat :)

Bulgaria

p.s. Is it common eastern Europeans beaten their miss's?
To be honest with you i've meet many English men and not only in HMP while i've served my holiday, because the same reason, it is common problem everywhere around the world i believe .

[ Edit: Edited on 18-Jan-2019, at 03:38 by gotinbatko86 ]