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1. Posted by Red76 (First Time Poster 1 posts) 11w Star this if you like it!

Citizen of th UK here, more specifically, Scotland. So I’ve got a question for all citizens of the USA, what’s the best state to go on holiday to? Over in the UK I would be in S1 but for you guys I’m in 8th grade. I’m having a rough time at high school and all I’m thinking about is how I really want to leave the uk and go to America to live or buy a holiday home. I’ve seen how diverse America is and it’s my ideal country. Theirs the whole “brexit” stuff which makes me worried I will have to stay in the UK for my life. Any help would be appreciated lots

Cheers, Euan

2. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1477 posts) 11w 1 Star this if you like it!

Hi Euan

The best state to go to is Canada. :) In general the USA is pretty hard to move to, but as a Brit you have opportunities to get into Canada, Australia and New Zealand as a young person (18-30) on their working holiday visa programmes, these let you travel and work for a year or two, and there are ways to stay on permanently such as an employer sponsoring you for residence.

The only practical way to get residence in the USA is for an employer to sponsor you on the basis that you have skills they can't get from an American citizen. Or marry an American, I guess.

Are you academic? Got a career path planned? USA could be an option if you're a high flyer. Otherwise those Commonwealth countries are worth investigating.

3. Posted by leics2 (Respected Member 643 posts) 11w 2 Star this if you like it!

Euan, if you're really in S1 (age 11-12) that's the equivalent of 6th grade in the USA. Children only start grade school in the US at age 6-7.

I'm sorry you're having a rough time in high school. I hope that changes quickly. But you have a long way to go yet and the world itself can, and does, change. Brexit (if it happens) won't make any real difference to whether you can live and work elsewhere. Your life chances and changes are down to how hard you work and the choices you make on the way.

The US may seem 'ideal' to you at the moment but, as Andy says, living and working there isn't easy. You need a job (or academic e.g. college) offer.....and manage to get the required visa....before you can stay longer than the 3 months usually given to tourists. Even marrying a US citizen doesn't automatically give you the right to stay: you still have to apply for a 'green card' to become a permanent resident.

At this point I think you just need to concentrate on working towards the type of career which will offer you opportunities to work in other countries.

Good luck!

4. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 1050 posts) 11w Star this if you like it!

To answer your question, California is the best state to live in in the USA. I'm a bit prejudiced because that's where I live, but I've lived in five other states and visited 49 of the 50 USA states so do know what they offer.

However, that said, living here isn't easy unless you have or are getting a good education. Without an education, you can have a lot of problems because we don't have a good social support system. Education and medical care are very expensive and depending on where you choose to live, housing costs can be very high.

Your best chance of coming here permanently is probably to apply to a university here. It helps to have a special talent so if you are really good at something like computers, music, engineering or any specialized field, work very hard at it and use it to get a scholarship to study in the USA. The alternative is to get your university degree in the UK and then apply for jobs here and hope you can find one. Applying to university would be the easiest way to come so become a specialist in something and start applying early.

Good luck.

5. Posted by goodfish (Full Member 169 posts) 11w Star this if you like it!

Hi Euan-
First things first? You are too young to even think about moving to the U.S. "to live or buy a holiday home". As you've never been here, you don't really know "how diverse America is" or how "ideal " all parts of the country might be for you.

Brexit has also not yet happened so you don't KNOW what that's going to look like when it all shakes out. Additionally, the U.S. has its own uncomfortable political/economical unknowns right now.

AndyF has some sort of annoying personal issue with the U.S. so I would discredit his comment that, "The best state to go to is Canada". Not a thing wrong with Canada - which is a country and not a U.S. state, BTW - as it's our closest good neighbor to the north of my state of Minnesota so there's a lot of back and forth between our borders here. The "best" U.S. state or even foreign country for you would depend on too many different factors than can be weighed at this point in your life.

In short, you are assuming too much about a place you've never experienced firsthand, and too much about what the state of your OWN country might look like when you're old enough/have enough work experience/financial means to be able to manage a long-term, cross-the-pond move.

What's important right now that you pay attention to your education and acquire the types of skills that are marketable across international borders.

6. Posted by Cottonwood (Budding Member 83 posts) 11w 1 Star this if you like it!

Ok, first things first, tough it out and finish your schooling in Scotland, THEN think about at least traveling to the USA for a short trip/Holiday.

Now as for that "State called Canada"......the city of Victoria, Vancouver island along with the rest of that island, BC would be the best place to start a visit. But I'm not a fan of them Canadian's because they love to send us USA people their polar vortex weather in the middle of the winter.

As for the actual country of USA.....sorry to anyone from California, but forget them......Idaho is better and is a GREAT place to visit. I've lived here for just shy of 30 years and vacationed here my whole life(49 years). Great skiing in the winter at Sun Valley or Brundage in McCall or Schwietzer up north. Great big lakes to visit in the northern part of the state, fantastic Mountains to view and climb in the middle part of the state, close to Yellowstone park in the eastern part. Our capital city of Boise is a great city to visit in the south western part. Low crime, friendly people, low population with no traffic problems. Something to think about when old enough to travel on your own.

7. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1477 posts) 11w Star this if you like it!

Quoting goodfish

AndyF has some sort of annoying personal issue with the U.S. so I would discredit his comment that, "The best state to go to is Canada".

Goodfish I think you miss my point that ironically Canada is his best bet, while not technically a US state but a close approximation to the lifestyle, because with his citizenship he has a greater hope of going there.

There was nothing in my post anti-USA. I know people say Americans don't get irony...

8. Posted by AndyF (Moderator 1477 posts) 11w Star this if you like it!

I've just remembered an aposite quote:

"Canada is a part of the United States where the people are so smart they don't pay taxes to Washington"
- Robert A Heinlein


9. Posted by ToonSarah (Travel Guru 883 posts) 11w 2 Star this if you like it!

We may all have our views on Brexit and I guess this isn't the place for me to air mine (but for the record I'm strongly anti!) However what it will look like, if it happens at all, is still up in the air, and even if we have the worst sort of Brexit (aka hard) it will only impact on your ability to move to EU countries, and imho would make it harder but not impossible. At your age you have time to see how it shakes down and to research possibilities for your future properly. Also, the best US states to visit may not be those where you could get into university and/or find work, so don't pin things down too narrowly at this stage.

Read about the US, by all means, but don't set your heart on anything specific. Instead, work hard at school and when you're nearing the age when you have to make decisions about your future, if the US still appeals, ask your teachers for advice and help in applying to study there. Once settled at a college or university you should be able to fit in some travelling in different states to see which appeal. Or take AndyF's good advice and take a year or so after school to go travelling and get some work experience in places like Canada or Australia, where it's easier for Brits to live and work for longer than in the US.

You could also think about aiming to work in the travel industry so that you get to visit lots of countries and experience their cultures before settling on the ideal place to live.

Finally, as a Brit who's taken many holidays in the US but never lived there, my favourite states to visit are in the most part those further west, where the scenery is grander - Utah, Arizona, New Mexico, Wyoming, Washington State, Oregon, California. But if I were moving there, which I'm not, as a city lover I would want to live in New York City - or possibly one of the West Coast cities such as San Francisco, Portland or Seattle.

All of that thinking is the result of many visits and you may have different tastes, enjoy different experiences - 'one man's meat' and all that ;) So get out there, when you're old enough, and test things for yourself!

10. Posted by Beausoleil (Travel Guru 1050 posts) 11w Star this if you like it!

You should get the book "How the Scots Invented the Modern World" by Arthur Herman. It is fascinating and may give you a much more friendly take on your own country. Having visited a couple of times, I can't imagine anyone wanting to leave it.

BTW, the folks above who said Brexit won't lock you into Scotland are spot on. It may change your options to travel to Europe or at least to EU countries, but it won't affect your ability to travel to the USA any time you want. You might even come here and discover how nice it is at home.

If you haven't traveled much in your own country, I highly recommend that before you wander overseas. Scotland is a wonderful country with a fascinating history.